Talk:Franz Joseph I of Austria

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New Picture[edit]

I would suggest that we change the image of the emperor at the top of the page. Is there perhaps a better/more flattering image?--Karl franz josef (talk) 19:04, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a beauty contest. Si Trew (talk) 07:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
True, but if his wife Elizabeth of Bavaria is show at around 18, it would be nice if his picture is similar/consistent. Peacedance (talk) 06:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Names in other languages[edit]

While trying to respect previous editors' work, I've taken WP:BOLD and changed format (not the content) of the names in other languages.

  • I've put it as a bulleted list – this is because as a prose list it is hard to tell which language which transliteration belongs to. (For the same reason I've changed the format in the lead, but not the order.)
  • I've reformatted so they are all the same format, and put them all into {{lang-xx}} tags. (Same in lead.)
  • I've put them all into alphabetical order. I can see there may have been an attempt to order them on e.g. those in use within his realm, but this was not at all consistent. It seems to me using alpha order is the most neutral.
  • I've removed Croatia from the first sentence of the lead: his full title is given at the linked article, and he was also king of all kinds of other places that were within Austria-Hungary; here we are just stating his title not a list of states. Another editor had done the same in the Infobox a little earlier.

I realise any or all of these edits may be contentious, but we are here to give people information, and an unseparated list of language-name pairs is hard to divulge. I could understand there being a use for putting the "most common" or "most important" languages first, if anyone were likely to agree which were the most common or important. The Hungarian in the lead seemed to have gone missing too (the language was there but not the actual name), adding to the confusion.

Also, I've cut English from the list. We must assume his name in English is what the article title says it is (not anglicised to "Francis").

Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 07:22, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

"Francis Joseph" is frequently used in English; it ought not be removed from the article out of some idea that because the German "Franz Joseph" is more common in English than the anglicized form, "we must assume" that the anglicized form doesn't exist. john k (talk) 05:52, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

resolving difficult wording[edit]

Existing wording: Almost immediately, Charles Albert was decisively beaten by Radetzky at Novara, and forced both to sue for peace and to abdicate his throne.

Suggested wording: Almost immediately, Charles Albert was decisively beaten by Radetzky at Novara and forced to sue for peace and to abdicate his throne.

Removal of “both” immensely helps the reader understand who is doing what. If the wording is not changed, the reader is puzzled by "both", wondering whether it refers to two people (those being forced, which makes no sense) or two clauses: "sue for peace and to abdicate his throne". After much thought, I finally figured the latter was intended. Thus, remove "both" as both unnecessary and confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruffwiki (talkcontribs) 20:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Fifty-six years of his political career missing[edit]

The is a section entitled Imperial absolutism, 1848–1860, which is resonably well written. But after that there is not a word on what sort of rule there was for the remaining 56 years of his reign. That is rather a large and serious hole! Is there anybody watching this with the knowledge to write even a brief section on the rest of his political career? Scolaire (talk) 09:16, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

First?[edit]

Why did he carry the title Franz Josef the First, when there was no future emperor of the same name? Are you sure this is correct? Valetude (talk) 08:35, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

In short; a monarch can give themselves any number they like; it doesn't neccesarily follow that 'there have been x number of monarchs with this name, therefore this monarch should have this number', because this is part of the royal prerogative. Yes, it usually follows the convention that 'if there have been x number of monarchs, you have that number after your name', but sometimes monarchs go against this convention, often for political or historical considerations.

For example, there has only ever been one monarch of Australia called 'Elizabeth'; yet the current Queen of Australia is called 'Elizabeth II', the current King of Sweden is Carl XVI Gustaf, despite the fact there have only been nine Kings of Sweden called Carl, the first King of Italy was called Vittorio Emmanuele II; despite being the first King of Italy of this name, the first (and only) Emperor of Germany called Friedrich was Friedrich III, and so on.

To wit: if Franz Joseph I decided he the Franz Joseph I, then he was, just as much as if he had decided (for whatever reason) that he wanted to be called Franz Joseph II or Franz Joseph III.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 11:10, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

There is a wikipedia article on regnal numbers; "the first" is sometimes but not always used by the first person to have that name. I notice mention (above, regarding Australia) of Elizabeth II -- that is using the regnal number of the BRITISH queen; apparently, British domains did not include Australia during the time of the 1st Queen Elizabeth (who was retroactively given the "I" in 1952). As for Franz Joseph of Austria, sometimes I see the "I" and sometimes I do not. Because the Austrian empire was broken up at end of what we now call World War I, there wasn't much chance for another Franz Joseph to become ruler.

Third longest-reigning monarchs[edit]

His 68-year reign is the third-longest in the recorded history of Europe (after those of Louis XIV of France and Johann II, Prince of Liechtenstein).[25]

This is wrong now because of recent changes to List of longest-reigning monarchs which counts minor noble/princelings within the Holy Roman Empire making Bernard VII, Lord of Lippe the longest reigning European monarch now. --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 03:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)