Talk:Fraz Wahlah

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Problems with the article[edit]

The text in the article has severe sourcing problems, probably written by someone not verse with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Here I am listing these problems:

  1. This source is not a reliable source as this book's source is Wikipedia itself. Please read WP:CIRCULAR for further explanation.
  2. This source doesn't say that Fraz Wahlah was the youngest political prisoner, in fact it uses the word "probably". So this is a source falsification. Besides it is an exceptional claim, requiring multiple reliable sources. See WP:EXCEPTIONAL.
  3. The section titled "Education and profession" is completely unsourced.
  4. This and this are not reliable sources. See WP:RS.
  5. This and this sources doesn't support the information they are cited for, besides both of them are unreliable and probably self published sources.
  6. This source again doesn't support the info it is cited for. It only asks its readers to post pictures and story related to the coup of Zia ul Haq.
  7. This and this are the same sources, one is in text and the other in audio recording from what I understand. Both of these sources doesn't support the text in the section "After Benazir Bhutto's assassination" and some other info. So actually this section is without a source.

Now coming to the notability aspect, except that BBC interview which is likely a primary source, I hardly find a reliable secondary source that covers the subject in depth (Read WP:BIO). So with all these issues I am removing the unsourced info and tagging the article per notability concern. --SMS Talk 19:15, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

@2You are the one who's making false assumptions. You admit that he was a young political prisoner, and that the word "probably" was used. That does not justify removal of the text. You could simply add the word "probably". Have you translated the BBC interview to English before making these assumptions? The information is discussed in both BBC article and Radio interview. The Article and Radio interview are separate in essence. One is an article written by a renowned BBC producer and international journalists. And BBC is the official broadcasting company of the United Kingdom. And you say that the source is not reliable? Did you read in the BBC article that the information discussed in the BBC interview and article is suppressed in Pakistan, hence it had not been allowed to be published by the military regime? If you hold any prejudice with regards to this public figure, you must not edit articles of historic importance on Wikipedia.
@4The source is a well known portal of Pakistani Leaders in the filed of politics, military, science, education and industry. Stop making unfounded assumptions.
@5You are again making baseless assumptions by saying these are "probably" self published sources. One is an offical website of a law firm which has been featured on prestigious international journals and magazines such as ComputerWorld Norway, International Data Group and CIO etc.
@6You seem to have a grudge against this international figure. He is on BBC website and multiple other websites. He's been published and acknowledged internationally. You are falsifying the information by removing properly sourced information. Read the source again, the caption under the picture on BBC website refers to Fraz Wahlah
You have again lied by stating that there's no notability aspect except BBC interview. Check this source: (http://jang.com.pk/thenews/Aug2013-weekly/nos-09-08-2013/enc.htm) It is a leading newspaper, and the same picture of this public figure in this wikipedia article is printed there. Furthermore, there are other official sources that verify notability of this public figure, which you dishonestly removed and ignored. For example, the source of his interview on CIO Magazine Germany, and ComputerWorld Norway. CIO Magazine and ComputerWorld are one of world's most respectable business technology leadership magazines. Him being interviewed and published by them internationally alone establishes notability. Then there are official sources available on International Asia Pacific ICT Award. Stop removing valuable and verifiable historic information added by users on Wikipedia, just because you hold personal prejudice against a public figure. Here are few official links that you dishonestly deleted/removed: http://www.cio.de/news/cio_worldnews/2009/891989/ and http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=800B1A89-1A64-67EA-E4CF16C3B77D7731
You also removed information from 2009 and 2010, that had been verified in the past. You justified removal of information by saying that the links were now dead. And you said that you will check Archive. This was again absolute disregard of editorialship. What you should have done was check the Archive.org first, and then remove the information if it had not been found there. Utterly disappointed at the vandalism you have carried out openly. In view of these comments in bold and italics supported by valid evidence, I am removing the notability and sources tags added to this article dishonestly by this editor. I urge a senior wikipedia to kindly endorse this action and report this editor.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎151.224.75.232 (talkcontribs) 19:40, 08 September 2013 (UTC)
First of all let me tell you that I don't have a grudge against you, the subject of the article or anyone else. I am an editor here at Wikipedia and to uphold the rules of Wikipedia is my primary intent while editing. By your comments it seems you haven't read a single policy or guideline that I cited here. To continue editing and specially discuss constructively the issues raised here, this is a must for you to understand the rules of the Wikipedia.
As I said before the claim that Wahlah was the youngest political prisoner (even with the addition of the word "probably") is an exceptional claim and will need multiple reliable sources. I don't need to translate the interview in English as I understand Urdu.
About the Pakistani Leaders Portal I again say it is not a reliable source as anyone can submit a profile there. Similarly about FADVOCAT and Wahlah, they are certainly unreliable source, and I said probably self published as the article itself said that Wahlah is the founder of FAVOCAT. And if you have any doubts about this, you can ask for broader community opinion at WP:RSN. Besides I suggest you to read the related notability guideline (WP:BIO).
Seriously on the first look of the article it more looks like a glorifying biography of a person rather than an encyclopedic article. That raises the concern that it is written by somebody having conflict of interest. As the issues remain unresolved the tags will stand there, if you want them removed either you will have to add reliable source or trim down the article further by removing all the unsourced information (the former action won't address the notability issue).
I won't respond to any of the personal accusations that you have made, so I have nothing else to say here, if you have any problems regarding my editing, you can take the issue to Administrator's noticeboard or anywhere else you want to. --SMS Talk 21:02, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
  • The tags will remain there unless the issue raised are resolved including the neutrality and notability issues. Kindly read the relevant policy guideline (Neutral Point of View, Original Research) to help start a discussion and improve this article. --SMS Talk 19:35, 22 September 2013 (UTC)