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- 1 Late 19th century History Section
- 2 Image of farm
- 3 Flag
- 4 Fourth largest city in Maryland?
- 5 Frederick County Not Largest County
- 6 History Section
- 7 Arts Section
- 8 Schools Section
- 9 Silver Spring
- 10 Population
- 11 Tyler's Spite House
- 12 Unpublished manuscript
- 13 Former Mayor
- 14 Theater
- 15 city-data url
- 16 Maryland Route 144 no longer exists within City of Frederick
- 17 population_metro
- 18 "metro" population for minor component of MSA
- 19 Split
Late 19th century History Section
The section currently states:
- In 1872 the Pennsylvania Railroad completed its Frederick Secondary branch line, which ran from Frederick to York, Pennsylvania and Columbia, Pennsylvania.
The actual cited source on the page states... that it was the Frederick and Pennsylvania Line Railroad Company from Kingsdale to Frederick Md which opened October 8 1872. I propose to edit the section to reference the F&PL article in the link instead of the PRR in the current article...
Image of farm
This image doesn't belong here. It belongs maybe on Frederick, County article, but is not representative of Frederick City. I will take some pictures next time I am in the area. MB 19:52 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Agreed, I live there, a nice picture of downtown at christmas or the clustered spires would be nice :).--Crucio 23:56, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
Fourth largest city in Maryland?
According to both the Rockville and the Frederick articles, they are both the fourth most populous cities in the state of Maryland. Which is larger? And which census updates are used to determine these? Alex 05:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Frederick County Not Largest County
I'm from Frederick and I always love hearing about its history. Would anyone like to create a history section for this page? I would dearly love to, but I don't really have the time or know where to find the most important information. So if someone out there would like to at least start this, I would be very grateful. Contrafool 16:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
The mention of colleges in Frederick, MD and also the mention of a sister city seem to have no relevance to the arts and should be in a different section. ----jake brooks, march 27th, 2008
The schools section listed here should be moved to the county page because the county serves as the basis for the school system in MD. When I get around to it, I will move the information into the county page, clean it up, and hopefully create an article for the FCPS too.Jason Smith 02:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Both Silver Spring and Columbia MD are more populous than Frederick, but these are unincorporated areas. Frederick is the second largest incorporated city behind Baltimore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Frederick according to the population stats is the second largest city in Maryland, although it says third on this page. I believe third is actually Gaithersburg. But how do you edit that top section? 18.104.22.168 19:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- No - follow the link (in turn to the rank link on the Census page). Frederick is third, behind Baltimore and Gaithersburg.
Tedickey 19:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Tyler's Spite House
The spite house no longer serves as a bed and breakfast. the owner passed away (or so I heard) and it now serves as the main office of a new design firm, The Design Method Group. Toxicityj (talk) 22:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Calvin E. Schildknecht, unpublished manuscript and supporting documents: Draft Genealogy: Thomas and Margaret Schley and Some of Their Descendents. August, 1991: 135 Doubleday Avenue, Gettysburg, PA, 17325. Including the files of the late Jacob Mehrling Holdcraft and the files of the late Judge Edward S. Delaplaine, compiled with the assistance of Mary Ann Frank.
There are all kinds of valid, unpublished works which need to be referenced. Many of these include letters, family Bibles, and archived materials. All academic referencing systems make a place for these kinds of citations, and the best primary research relies on such materials. By definition, published materials are "secondary materials". You all need to get real. The works of the great early management guru, Mary Parker Follett, was, until the last two decades, accessible only in unpublished form.Doktorschley (talk) 03:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- That's discussed in Wikipedia:RS#Primary.2C_secondary.2C_and_tertiary_sources Tedickey (talk) 11:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that the Schley material should not be used, as it has not been published, nor accepted in fulfillment of an academic requirement, like a dissertation. The other issue with the Schley family material is that there is too much of it - there were other people and groups who have contributed to Frederick's history and present. There is little sense of how the city has benefited by its proximity to major federal installations, such as FDA and others; its residents include people more highly educated than might be expected in a relatively small, but growing place.Parkwells (talk) 23:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
The section onn theaters in Frederick is far from complete. Unfortunately, I know several people who have tried to post other theaters located in the city, but they were removed. One such post followed pretty much the same format and style as the Maryland Ensemble Theaters line in that section but was still removed. It was said this was an advertisement . . .
"The Way Off Broadway Dinner Theatre is a regional theater located in Frederick on the western side of the city along what is known as Frederick's "Golden Mile" and has been based there since it first opened in 1990 as the Keynote Dinner Theatre."
It was also accompanied by a citation. How could that be rewritten so that it would not be considered an advertisement. Something similar happened with the line that mentioned the Weinberg Center for the Arts, which was actually taken directly from the Weinberg's Wikipedia article.
- The url given points to a site that's basically just advertising. Some actual evidence of notability should accompany the edits (otherwise, one would simply link to all of the pages on that site, for instance) TEDickey (talk) 01:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I guess I understand the notability issue to a point . . . especially when it has to do with a subject having its own article on Wikipedia. But on an information page like this, that specifically has a theater section, should all the theaters be listed. But, sticking with the notability issue, the historic Weinberg Center would certainly be more important to mention than the Maryland Ensemble Theatre. I'm really not trying to be difficult. I am just trying to understand the full rationale that if Wikipedia already deemed the Weinberg and Way Off Broadway notabale enough to have their own articles, why wouldn't that be enough to be listed on the theater section of Frederick City?
Or am I maybe just looking at how the edit was written, needing to be more specific. For example, with Way Off Broadway, saying that besides the Weinberg, it is the longest operating theater in the city and many shows made their western Maryland regional theater debuts at Way Off Broadway. Is that more the direction you are talking about? RidgeWest (talk) 02:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)RW —Preceding unsigned comment added by RidgeWest (talk • contribs) 02:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
- I recommend discarding the advertising source, and using just a one-liner pointing to the already-sourced topic. The existing topic does need cleanup, in case you've time/inclination to improve it TEDickey (talk) 11:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. Let me take some time and see if I can come up with something that can work. I will definitely get your opinion before posting it. RidgeWest (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)RW
If you look at the cost of living and housing prices for Frederick MD and Washington DC compared to the national average, and Harrisburg PA compared to the national average, the comparison is supported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:19, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- A WP:RS addressing the comment would make not only that comparison, but put it into context TEDickey (talk) 19:40, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Maryland Route 144 no longer exists within City of Frederick
In 1814, Dr. John Tyler built what is called the Tyler Spite House at 112 W. Church Street in Frederick to prevent the city from extending Record Street south through Tyler's land to meet West Patrick Street (now also Maryland Route 144).
(now also Maryland Route 144)
"metro" population for minor component of MSA
The population_metro field of the infobox implies that this is a principal city of the cited MSA/CSA - in this case Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metropolitan Statistical Area and/or Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV Combined Statistical Area. However, the reliable source (ignoring editor-contributed opinions about unincorporated cities)  differs from that implication (it's listed as a principal city of one of the four components of the former). Usual (non-Wikipedia) practice for "metro" population would be to cite the population due to the component (which the reader may note is about an order of magnitude less than the current figure). TEDickey (talk) 21:12, 20 January 2014 (UTC)