Talk:Frederik Magle/GA1
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Reviewer: Adam Cuerden (talk · contribs) 01:58, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Right. This article looks pretty good at first glance; let's start with the few things that'll need dealt with:
First of all, there are a few bits which, while likely sourced or easily sourced, technically are not. I'll mark the smaller cases with [citation needed] tags, but, while I suppose we can take the recordings as self-citing - there's sufficient information about each of them, I'd like to see sources for the list of works, and clarification as to whether it's a complete list (to a specific date), or a selected list.
As for sources - well, I don't read Danish very well, so, I'm going to assume good faith to some extent, but I will ask: Can you please review the sources, and assure me that they may all be considered reliable sources?
We can move on from there once that's done. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:58, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing it. I have added references where they were missing. Good thing, as I discovered a mistake: The Christmas cantata was listed as translated into Danish by Kristian Høeg, but it turns he only edited it and another person had translated it. It has been corrected now. Regarding the "Søværnet ønsker god vind"-album I could not find any independent sources, so I self-cite the album with a link to a library listing which includes the content of the CD. As for the list of works, it is a combination of works listed in SNYK's database (A government funded organization for "new music" in Denmark) and his own website, but without the childhood works as I think they would make the list too big. So in that way it is a selective list, which I've clarified. SNYK and his own website is what the Royal Library recommends on their list of "list of works" of Danish composers.
- I have visited my local library where there is free access to the Danish media database Infomedia. This is where I have found most of the newspaper sources I have added, and I believe they are all considered reliable. As for the sources added by other people, I have been able to look up almost all of them and they appear to be reliable too. The only source I cannot verify is the "Klodshans" LEGO source, even though it was added to the article by myself, but I must admit I copy-pasted it from a different article assuming good faith. It is consistent with what it says on Magle's own website and the work does exist and has been recorded by the London philharmonic, so I think we can assume good faith on that one. --Danmuz (talk) 15:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. I want to do a full read-through, but think that deals with all the likely issues. By the way, it might be worth having a complete list, including the childhood compositions, and, if the list is only selective insofar as it leaves out his juvenile works, you could state what's excluded - "This list contains all works since 19XX, when Magle [etc.]". Also, realise that, with good sources like that, you could easily spin off the complete list. ("This is a selective list of Magle's major works, including all that have been recorded as of 2014. For a complete list of his works, see List of compositions of Frederik Magle.") Obviously, tweak those descriptions as appropriate. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Done. I've created the page List of compositions by Frederik Magle which includes everything from the two sources, and I've changed the listing on the biography page into a selection of major and/or recorded works, as suggested. --Danmuz (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed. I want to do a full read-through, but think that deals with all the likely issues. By the way, it might be worth having a complete list, including the childhood compositions, and, if the list is only selective insofar as it leaves out his juvenile works, you could state what's excluded - "This list contains all works since 19XX, when Magle [etc.]". Also, realise that, with good sources like that, you could easily spin off the complete list. ("This is a selective list of Magle's major works, including all that have been recorded as of 2014. For a complete list of his works, see List of compositions of Frederik Magle.") Obviously, tweak those descriptions as appropriate. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Right then! I've given it a careful read through, and I think this is an excellent article. A little more work, and I wouldn't be surprised to see this as a Featured Article. Its prose is generally very good, but it could use a copyeditor before FAC, just to smooth out the occasional minor point: It's perfectly readable, and usually perfectly grammatical, but the occasional sentence can be a little unpolished. The worst I noticed was: The cantata's text is by the author Iben Krogsdal; based on the story of Saint Cecilia, who died in a gruesome way for her Christian faith, it has been described as "moderate modernism" with a special "Danish tone" and a transparent chamber musical instrumentation. - and you know, that's perfectly comprehensible, it's just kind of odd, with the off-hand mention of her gruesome death, and it has the only grammatical errors I've noticed: the semicolon should be a comma, and it needs a full stop or semicolon after "faith".
But please don't get me wrong. The text is very well-written on the whole, it just needs a little polish to get to FA-quality.
The only other suggestion I'd give is to consider fair using one or two short samples of his music. The Infinite Second has a particularly interesting description, and might be a good choice to show some of the extremes of his style, so long as a sample can fairly represent it.
In any case, excellent work. Pass. Adam Cuerden (talk) 23:47, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. The review process has been a pleasure, and the article has been improved by it. It's great that you think the article could become a Featured Article, I will continue to work on it in the future and maybe add some short samples of his music. Just have to make sure it doesn't violate copyright but I'll read up on that. Once again, thank you for reviewing and passing this article, and for the constructive criticism and advice. --Danmuz (talk) 14:44, 3 February 2014 (UTC)