Talk:F. W. de Klerk

Legacy

The Legacy section makes a number of assertions that aren't supported by the cites provided. Remember, wikipedia requires verifiability. Additionally, most of the cites are webforum comments and editorals, which verge on original research. For example, the assertion that the crime rate is increasing is 'supported' by links to articles on specific crimes in SA, rather than any respectable article on the increase in crime. This needs to be corrected. Ashmoo 22:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

the whole section is questionable and POV. de klerks main legacy is having ended apartheid (or: enabled to end it) and established democracy in south africa (remember: before, about two thirds of the country's population were not allowed to participate in elections and generally treated as second- or third class citizens, because they were regarded inferior due to their "race").

some claims in the section are simply false no matter if they are based on sources, for example "the total africanisation of the public sector".

--Severino 11:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

i've deleted the assertions based on the source "amren". the following excerpt is from one of the linked articles: "Further examination of the fresh young faces and healthy bodies shows that at least half if not more of the children are blond. An extraordinarily high number have sparkling blue eyes. In fact, standing next to the English-medium class in the same age group, they seem almost like a caricature of the Aryan ideal"

this and much more one can read in this publication. i guess many users dont know who dan roodt is and what he stands for. anyway, this here is wikipedia. --Severino 11:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Arms

Image and blazon should be included.[1] --Daniel C. Boyer 15:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Nobel Peace Prize

Where is the Nobel Peace Prize symbol above his photo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.193.237.146 (talk) 23:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

9th president?

Was De Klerk really the 9th president? See Talk:Pieter_Willem_Botha#8th_president.3F for a discussion on the numbering.Greenman (talk) 12:43, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Italic text

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 08:41, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

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Frederik Willem de Klerk → F. W. de Klerk — The South African president is overwhelmingly known by his initials, not his full name. Almost every book written about de Klerk, including his autobiography, uses his initials; a search on google books for "F. W. de Klerk" gets 1,251 hits, compared to 630 hits for "Frederik Willem de Klerk". Much like H. G. Wells, J. K. Rowling, C. S. Lewis, J. R. R. Tolkien, H. H. Asquith and many others, his full name is simply not the most commonly used form. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 13:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

• Support. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Middle names and abbreviated names for the relevant guideline. Andrewa (talk) 18:22, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
• Support, per above. StAnselm (talk) 22:59, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's an abbreviation, nothing more.--Severino (talk) 08:29, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
  • You mean like all of the other people's names listed in the nomination? Or how about the scores of people listed here? — AjaxSmack 14:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
    • from those listed above only in wells' case the abbreviation is more common than the full name i'd say.--Severino (talk) 18:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
      • Disagree. This is so obviously false that I'm not even going to bother providing evidence unless somebody else asks for it. Andrewa (talk) 14:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Well, yes, it's an abbreviation, and under the article naming policy cited above it's also the correct name for the article. Andrewa (talk) 14:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
• Support - certainly the most common form. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 13:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
• Support. Only HG Wells is more well known under his initials? Few people refer to JK Rowling as Joanna Rowling (she doesn't actually have a middle name), try Google. I've /never/ heard CS lewis referred to as Clive Lewis, typing Clive Lewis into Google, the only hit on the first page that is actually CS Lewis is from Wikipedia. Ditto JRR Tolkien. Do you live under a stone, Severino? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.72.154 (talk) 20:11, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
  • No personal attacks please. And remember, the closing admin will look at the arguments, not just count the votes, so I really don't think there's a lot to worry about here. Andrewa (talk) 14:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
• Comment Does it really matter? F. W. de Klerk is already a redirect to Frederik Willem de Klerk, so this smacks a bit of moving something just for the sake of moving it. Skinsmoke (talk) 01:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The Enlightened Party (Verkrampte)

There needs to be more info on this subject, but things such as "Most Involved In Apartheid," etc. Are not helpful. I'd appreciate it if someone who has knowledge of the subject could expand on this aspect of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zekeman95 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

the National party had two wings in regard to reforms of apartheid, the verligtes (enlightened) and the verkramptes (conservatives). as far as i know de klerk didn't count as a "verligte" before he became president, he was rather from the conservative wing.--Severino (talk) 09:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistency of capitalization.

Is the "d" in "de Klerk" normally capitalized? The article is inconsistent in this regard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.192.132 (talk) 10:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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