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See Ninja? Is this just vandalism or does it actually have something to do with Japaneese views of Freelancers? Psycho Medic 04:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

It could be... various (uncited) historical factoids[1] were contributed by Heavypen. -- Robocoder (talk | contribs) 13:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Coined by Walter Scott in the 18th Century?! In Spain (Castille) the Castillian Lances or Free Lances (lanzas castellanas or lanzas libres) were in use (and named like that) during the Reconquista (completed in 1492). Let me find the reference, and will update the article.

This article should be extended with legal information on every country. At least about every English speaking country. The laws may vary a lot from one place to another. --Calítoe.:. 07:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

"In the past three years, companies have increased their outsourcing by 22% on the internet." This statement is meaningless without a date (past three years since when?). It's also not clearly relevant (outsourcing doesn't necessarily imply hiring freelancers). Finally, when one considers that it lacks citation, it should probably be stricken. --anon (talk) 21:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


International freelancing is quite a short article, and could be made into a section in this article, rather than expanding the original article which could be difficult, time consuming and just repeating what is in this article Mkmetalhead (talk) 20:47, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll do the merge. It still needs at least one citation though. -- OlEnglish (Talk) 03:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I've deleted it for the reasons given in the edit log. No doubt transnational freelancing is worth a § of its own, but what was there was, as observed above, virtually nothing. Now it's really nothing and ready to be virtually something. (talk) 14:26, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Merge with indy contractor?[edit]

This article needs to be merged with Independent contractor, as they are, for all intents and purposes, one in the same. Seriously, they both perform their work for whoever wants them and can meet their price. They both pay a self-employment income tax, and they both are not entitled to Civil Rights protections, such as on the basis of race, sex, age, disability, etc. Honestly, there is NO difference AT ALL! They should in the thesaurus together. Juxtaposing freelancers and indy contractors is like juxtaposing attorneys and lawyers, or eye doctors and optometrists.

Thoughts?Wikieditor1988 (talk) 16:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this. they should be merged. This comment was six years ago? And I'm the first one to second the motion? What the crap? Wikipedia's inefficiency is sometimes startling. But seriously, this article and independent contractor should merge, as, by this article's own admission, the term 'freelancer' is just a slang term for indepent contractor style work that is used by people in the creative industries. 2600:1015:B10A:60EE:9BB:40F:E53E:C627 (talk) 10:01, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Disagree. The merge suggestion was initially made in 2009, before a majority of the content on this page was added. I've been unable to find the reference the unregistered user above makes to 'slang term' and disagree in any case that the prevalence of "slang" justifies erasure. Rather the rise of the "Freelance nation," Freelancer's Union, and the number of books, websites, articles and reports devoted to the freelancing way of life, way of business, and freelance industry, suggest that Independent Contractor is the term with a less precise meaning, despite the tax class the word designates. Further detail could/should be added to this page, specifically around the history of the term and the way that it has been used in relation to formations of editorial work, journalism, and artists in the US and UK. Shameran81 (talk) 01:14, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
"Independent contractor" (when it is not a fraudulent assertion or coercive swindle by a dishonest employer) is a status in tax and employment law. "Freelancer" is a difference in the way a profession is practiced, leading to a difference in attitude both of the freelancer and of the client. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:37, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Redirects for common fields involving freelancing[edit]

I think there should be redirects for the specific fields listed where specific articles are not written (after "fields where freelancing is common"). For instance, "freelance tour guiding" should probably redirect here. I made one redirect I felt was needed (I used the redirect for "freelance writer" to this page as a precedent for redirecting "freelance novelist" to "freelance writer", feeling that at the least, the latter should have its own article at some point, and that the concept of freelancing is more what people are looking for when they look up either of these two terms), but I didn't want to change them all as I'm not sure of the precise policy of redirecting complex terms. For instance, perhaps "freelance tour guiding" should be redirecting to "tour guiding", but then, perhaps it should redirect to "tour guiding". E.g., should a complex term for which its parts have articles be redirected to the aspect of the term that is more common, less common, or not redirected at all? At the least, "tour guiding" should come up as a suggestion for "freelance tour guiding", but it does not... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Squish7 (talkcontribs) 22:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Internet Freelance Writers[edit]

The term freelancer is evolving. More and more people rely on the new and beloved eBook via their electronic reader. This fact is driving more freelance writers to shift the manner in which they provide content. The old brick and mortar book stores are falling by the way side as society creates a greater demand for online reading resources. The term freelance writer is fast becoming more commonly thought of as online freelance writer. The new methods of which a freelance writer provides content is electronic books and guides. The means by which this content is created is online often times created on sites who promote and sell ebooks and other electronic materials in a download format. The once freelance writer in quickly becoming the Internet Freelance Writer. A understanding of revenue sharing sites is helpful for a new budding Internet Freelancer as the submission procedures reflect closely as do those of revenue sharing sites. This is a trend sure to stay the course and evolve even further. Katie McMurray @ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katiemcmurray (talkcontribs) 11:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Notes on Transnational Freelancing[edit]

While there is substantial movement of labor across international borders, and likely to be more, there's an inertia in dealing with the general set of beliefs and attitudes in classifying labor and labor relations, the latter being basically the essential nature of society. For example illegal immigrants from Mexico who work as minimum wage workers in the US are, in essence, just as much Freelancers as European IT workers who contract to US ventures, service vendors, whatever. So as stated in the lede of wage labour there's a class assignment vs. semantics dissonance. If a new section is added should show some numbers, say something about the exploitation of the manual labourers, relations to modern slavery, etc. (talk) 14:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Copyright ownership of commissioned works[edit]

The discussion in para 5 seems a bit muddled regarding ownership of copyright in commissioned works, stating, "They have no copyright to the works, which are written as works made for hire, a category of intellectual property defined in US copyright law..." This would not generally be true for most types of work, assuming "They" refers to the freelancer. The freelancer is the author and therefore automatically owns the copyright, except in specific categories of work (e.g., supplementary works, compilations, audiovisual works, textbooks, etc) and only if there is a signed written contract saying it is a WMFH. The ONLY possible way for the client (publisher or customer) to own the copyright of a commissioned work that is not within any of the 9 defined categories is to obtain a written transfer (assignment) of those rights from the independent author. For example, a freelance computer programmer would almost certainly own the copyright of the program created to solve a customer's problem. Am I missing something, or does this paragraph seem to misstate the US law? Lupinelawyer (talk) 08:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Historical origin[edit]

I feel that this article is missing a historic perspective. A modern history paragraph would be nice, but most of all the medieval origin of knights for hire. If there was such any origin, my meagre research only turned up an uncited source claiming that the word was first used in Walter Scotts Ivanhoe.Joeldaalv (talk) 17:36, 26 June 2013 (UTC)