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Does it make more sense to perhaps move the Members list to its own page? ~ Booyabazooka 00:18, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think it makes sense to remove them entirely. Maintaining a list of 'current members' of this type will be difficult, and I suspect will result in the article becoming out of date rapidly. More appropriate would be to have a section detailing famous members as of 2005, and be careful to have a short list. --Durin 23:30, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It would probably be entirely reasonable to have a complete list of members somewhere else, and just mention very few famous (but not necessarily current) ones on this page. u p p l a n d 12:20, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Funding[edit]

The Academie des Sciences seems to have been originally funded by French Royalty. Please do not add statements to the article which claim otherwise. Mathsci (talk) 06:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't be foolish, the sentence was embedded in the post-revolutionary section of the paragraph. I will make that more clear, rather than disconnecting the ref. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 06:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
It is not what you wrote alas, which was sloppy. Your reference to Napoleon was also odd, considering that 3 years later he was president of the Academy. An exception does not prove a rule. On the other hand usually every British prime minister is elected as a Fellow of the Royal Society. I will not attempt to explain to you why, but similar reasoning presumably applies to Napoleon. Mathsci (talk) 12:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Not at all. The French kings were not members, but patrons of the Academy. Napoleon was elected in his own right as a member in 1798, at that time he was not the head of state, but in the army. The "scientific component" of the "Egyptian expedition" was deemed important enough by the academicians to elect him, and the result (the deciphering of the Egyptian hieroglyphs among them) certainly bore them out. His election as President was maybe due to being the head of state at the time, because the Academy had usually no president. The king being the patron, the Academy was run by the Perpetual Secretary. In practice, he reorganized the Academy, and appointed the secretaries and other officers, which formerly had been elected by the members. Besides, I removed the list of members, see discussion from 2005 above. Kraxler (talk) 19:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I have deleted the "list" again, because it is unnecessary, useless, incomplete, full of red links and much too bulky. To get a complete listing of current members, better access the Academy's website. To see the articles on the members, with one click you reach the Category, (or even the French edition of this article). I suggest you write articles on the members instead of copying stuff from other pages. This article is about the organization, not the members. The members could be mentioned if it was possible to do it in a useful context and format. See discussion above, from 2005. Kraxler (talk) 15:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure you've examined the page history properly: I have not copied any stuff from anywhere else, because none of the current material is written by me. The academic references in English were added by me. And no thank you, I have no intention of adding missing BLPs of members, many of whom are friends and colleagues here in France. I have other priorities on WP. Mathsci (talk) 18:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Members of the Academy[edit]

Kraxler asserted that all the blue links in the list of members were listed in the category "Members of the French Academy of Sciences". However, he very soon found out that this was not the case, as soon afterwards he had to add the category to Michael Atiyah's article. I clicked on a few random blue links and found that many of them did not have the category on the bio page. I agree that the list can be removed from this article as soon as all the blue links have the category added. Otherwise it is impossible to tell. I will attempt to prepare a preliminary list from the blue links here as a guide. Mathsci (talk) 22:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I found in just the A's and B's:
  • Jacques d'Allonville
  • Roger Balian
  • John M. Ball
  • Gilbert Ballet
  • Jean-Marie Basset
  • Klaus Bechgaard
  • Claude Berrou
  • Guy Bertrand
  • Joseph Louis François Bertrand
  • Joseph Valentin Boussinesq
  • Abraham Louis Breguet
  • Haïm Brezis
  • François Bruhat
Please continue checking the list and then feel free to remove it. It is serving a useful temporary purpose at the moment. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 22:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Jacques d'Allonville

Roger Balian

John M. Ball

Gilbert Ballet

Jean-Marie Basset

Klaus Bechgaard

Claude Berrou

Guy Bertrand

Joseph Louis François Bertrand

Joseph Valentin Boussinesq

Abraham Louis Breguet

Haïm Brezis

François Bruhat

Catherine Cesarsky

Pierre Chambon

Jean-Pierre Changeux

Gustave Choquet

Yves Coppens

Charles-Augustin de Coulomb

Stanislas Dehaene

Derek Denton

Catherine Dulac

Ludvig Faddeev

Albert Fert

Reinhard Genzel

John B. Goodenough

André Guinier

Erwin Hahn

Albin Haller

Serge Haroche

Christiaan Huygens

Pierre Joliot

Henri B. Kagan

Gilles Kahn

Laurent Lafforgue

Philippe de La Hire

Lucien Laubier

Jean-Marie Lehn

Jacques-Louis Lions (missing from list)

Paul Malliavin

Luc Montagnier

Vernon Mountcastle

Gustav Nossal

Louis Pasteur

Louis Poinsot

Robert Pound

Michael O. Rabin

Rex Richards

Victor Henri Rochefort, Marquis de Rochefort-Luçay

Évry Schatzman

Paul Tapponnier

Rudolf Trumpy

Jacques Villain

Mathsci (talk) 05:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, we will find a solution for it. As I said, it is in the first place a question of readibility, besides, the links must be fixed ("John Ball" goes to a disambiguation page...). The list at French Wikipedia purported to be a list of "current members" which led to the objections stated above in 2005. I will think about it over the week-end, and sort it out. Kraxler (talk) 17:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Category[edit]

Create a redirect from the fr spelling of the category to the en category so article translators find the correct one easily.LeadSongDog (talk) 14:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Women[edit]

Shouldn't there be something in the history or even its own section about the Academy not allowing women to join? Famously Marie Curie being denied entry even after winning the Nobel Prize in physics (and later in chemistry). Also the first woman allowed in (in the 1960s I believe)was a grad student of hers. Kllh (talk) 23:26, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

that's absolutely right -- you're thinking of Marguerite Perey, admitted in 1962, the first woman in the Academy. Lockley (talk) 04:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Removing the members list[edit]

Per the above discussion from 2008 about the long list of Academy members with many redlinks, I went through that entire list and populated the member category accordingly, resolving links to disambig pages and other little problems. This (and some other comparisons) added 100 names to the member category. The list on this page is now redundant, the information much better reflected and maintainable within that category, so I'm going to remove it.

I also established another category, Category:Officers of the French Academy of Sciences, for presidents and secretaries and treasurers. Lockley (talk) 04:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)