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Post-colonial relations[edit]

I've removed this sentence: It also jeopardized the Franco-Algerian Peace Treaty, which Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika refused to sign following the vote of this law.

Reason: It wasn't sourced, and as it is written, it doesn't make sense. The Evian Accords were signed fifty years ago - why would Bouteflika need to sign them. 24.131.255.12 (talk) 17:30, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect map[edit]

The second map is incorrect. Spain had never formed part of the French empire. It was ruled by Joseph Bonaparte and partially occupied by the soldiers of Napoleon, but only Catalonia was formally annexed to the Empire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.26.42.106 (talk) 18:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

CIA Country Study[edit]

This entire article (France in Algeria, 1830-1962)is taken word for word from the CIA Country Study of Algeria!! No, the Country Study is not copyrighted information, but can Wikipedia simply "reproduce" someone else's intellectual work, verbatim, and under a different author's name? (That's a rhetorical question. The technical answer is YES - but the ethical answer is NO.) It's not sufficient to credit the Country Study of Algeria merely as a reference ("original text") if this Wikipedia article is indeed a word-for-word complete reprint. Anyone who's interested can compare the Wikipedia text with the Country Study text, from the Library of Congress website: http://rs6.loc.gov/frd/cs/dztoc.html At least the Library of Congress site clearly indicates the last update for the Country Study content - it hasn't been updated since 1993! At the very least, you should very clearly reference the fact that this entire article is a complete repackaging of someone else's uncopyrighted work from 1993, which is indeed already fully available to anyone on the web.

I agree, it's great information, but it doesn't have the same feel as a picked-apart, start-from-zero wikipedia entry. I say delete everything but the intro. Rhetth 18:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm an Algerian, nd regardless the relation that France/Algeria had before, I AGREE with Rhetth, the prove that the work of CIA is way far better than a work of any admin here :), nd if u keep a close eye, u'll find an update, in 2006 for the congress study.--لطيفة العمورية (talk) 23:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Somewhat biased?[edit]

"It was an inauspicious beginning to France's self-described "civilizing mission," whose character on the whole was cynical, arrogant, and cruel."

god bless the cia and its civilizing mission in cuba. Cliché Online (talk) 08:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
What does Cuba have to do with anything? And how could you possibly compare the two situations? HazelGHC (talk) 14:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Moved from Algeria[edit]

Moved from Algeria, this seems to belong somewhere in this article: - Mustafaa 08:34, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The colonial society of Algeria can be portrayed as a class-society, with extremely strong inequalities, but with the interesting feature that classes were not defined only by wealth or ownership of capital, but were above all defined by religion and ethnicity. At the top, wealthy colonists of French descent, then below were middle-class or poor pieds-noirs of French descent, then rich pieds-noirs of non-French descent (including Jews), then middle-class or poor pieds-noirs of non-French descent (including Jews), then still below were rich Muslim Algerians, and at the bottom were poor Muslim Algerians (until the 1950's there were very few middle-class Muslim Algerians). Intermarriages were unthinkable between these groups (although they were legal), even between the pieds-noirs of French descent and the pieds-noirs of non-French descent. However, the colonial society of Algeria cannot be compared with the segregationist society of the United States at the time, or the apartheid society of South Africa, in the sense that people were allowed to mix with each other, and to live side by side, and to go to the same shops, or cafes, or theaters, or even schools after the 1930's. But inequality of wealth and traditional mentalities kept the society extremely rigid. Although they were neighbors (as there was no segregation), and often in good terms with each other, Christians, Jews, and Muslims would not have thought it proper to be close friends. Poor Arabs and Kabyles were not forbidden to climb the social ladder, and there are many examples of Muslim Algerian who became doctors, lawyers, etc., but lack of money and contacts, as well as a general unwillingness of the European elite to facilitate their promotion or to grant them voting rights, meant it was very hard for the vast majority of Arabs and Kabyles to climb the social ladder.

Introduction[edit]

This article needs a proper introduction. It plunges right into France's motives without simply informing the reader, first, what went on from 1830 to 1962 in Algeria.

Feel free to edit one Wikipedia:Be Bold... Lapaz 09:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Napoleon's 1808 contingency plan for the invasion of Algeria?[edit]

The article mentions this without any explanation. Why did Napoleon plan to invade Algeria? Why did it not happen then? What made it a "contigency plan?" Funnyhat 04:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Who painted the scene with Duperre?[edit]

Could the uploader, or someone else, identify the author of the painting concerning Duperre? (in the same occasion, both on Commons and on this page)? Thanks, Tazmaniacs

C20th[edit]

This article needs new sections on French rule in the 20th century.

  • Before World War II
  • World War II, which regime controlled Algeria when. Did government pass to a hostile army (Was it occupied by the Axis or Allied forces)?
  • Post WWII, Before during and after the War of Independence.

--Philip Baird Shearer 12:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the subsection "Post-colonial relations" really should be included in this article, which focuses more on actual history than on remembrance issues. Maybe it could be merged to Foreign relations of France, where it would make a nice subsection? Tazmaniacs 15:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

"Austrian-Hungarian Empire"[edit]

I have changed a reference to this state to Austrian Empire, becuase A) It did not exist at the time of the reference and B) that term is incorrect, the future state being the "AustRO-Hungarian" empire. Just noting this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.241.163 (talk) 18:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

apartheid...[edit]

come on who wrote that bs? there was no arpatheid with white only buses like in the US or such things. FYI schools were mixed native-colon, etc. there were so called "villages nègres" in the city outskirts but some european lived there too. so this section is lies and propaganda. Cliché Online (talk) 08:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

lacks algeria and wwII[edit]

vichy rules and us invasion, then how algiers became the free france capital by becoming a military base for de gaulle. Cliché Online (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Chantiers de la jeunesse française[edit]

this overlooked article should be translated from the french wiki. Cliché Online (talk) 14:13, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Merge Algérie française to French Algeria?[edit]

I agree with the proposal. --Mistakefinder (talk) 10:26, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I also agree if the colony was ever actually officially named Algerie francaise. If the colony was named Algerie and is only referenced now as Algerie francaise to distinguish it from the modern state and Algerie francaise was a historical slogan, the pages should remain where they are. See below. — LlywelynII 10:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

infobox: FAKE coat of arms[edit]

real and sourced coat of arms used in august 1865

the coat of arms of (French) Algeria 1830-1962 was the coat of arms of France, the ruler of Algeria was the ruler of France. the unsourced "INFAMOUS" arab-style green with yellow crescent coat of arms is actually a fictitious one. i've replaced the arab-style fake coat of arms with the actual french algeria coat of arms used in 1865 (2nd french empire). Madame Grinderche (talk) 01:42, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

French name: Alger, then Algerie (may fransay)[edit]

The colony began as Alger and other cities and was officially renamed to Algerie in 1839. Was it ever officially known as Algerie francaise during its existence? It seems like a term of modern scholarship since prior to independence there was no other Algerie around to warrant the distinction.

If it's only a term of French scholarship, it has no real place on the English wiki article, where we should be limiting ourselves to the English usage, with notes of actual historical/official names. — LlywelynII 10:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Historic dates[edit]

I came here after noticing in the infobox of Rainilaiarivony that he died in "Algiers, Algeria" in 1896. However, since Algeria was considered an integral part of the Third Republic, shouldn't this read "Algiers, France (now Algeria)", or "Algiers, Algeria, France (now Algeria)"? I come here to ask because, if this is the case, a lot of mentions might need to be revised. If Hawaii were to become independent of the US tomorrow, I would expect a source for something happening yesterday to say "Honolulu, Hawaii, United States (now Hawaii)", or, "Honolulu, United States (now Hawaii)". From what I can tell, Algeria's status was identical. --Golbez (talk) 21:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Missing part[edit]

The section administration abruptly stops at the revolt in 1871 and then skips 70 years to the second world war. That ain't right 31.151.99.220 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:22, 6 April 2012 (UTC).

Algeria / Corsica ?[edit]

  • cite: ...was administered as an integral part of France, much like Corsica and Réunion are to this day. - Why mix Algeria with Corsica and Réunion in one ? How to understand ? As far as I know, Corsica is regular part of french motherland (common département), - Réunion a overseas territory and so something different, but former french Algeria was propagated as being french motherland, but de facto colony. - What should it mean to mix especially Corsica in there ? - Thanks, --Oenie (talk) 21:08, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Lybian border[edit]

Is there any reliable source about a rectification of borders with Lybia in 1919? Thanks --El extranjero (talk) 14:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)