Talk:French Indochina in World War II

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move. -- tariqabjotu 04:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


Vietnam in World War IIFrench Indochina in World War II – I moved this article to the title (with no adverse comment), but the move was reverted (I believe wrongly) but another user after nearly a month with no discussion. The issue at stake is avoiding anachronism. I accept that the borders of Indochina and Vietnam were subtly different, but putting an country which did not then exist into a historical event still makes no sense. By extension, we'd have fundamentally re-write almost all "Country X in war y" article to reflect modern borders which are less relevant to the theme than the borders which existed at the time. I'd also add that, in an article using the terminology "Indochina" almost throughout, using both terms in tandem (if unexplained, as it is at the moment) is confusing to the casual reader. Brigade Piron (talk) 18:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Support this is a common problem on WP, IMO. The current title is ahistorical, the article should use the name it had at that time. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:09, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose, as the creator, no way. French Indochina comprised of Viet Nam, Laos and Cambodia. This article only mentions events taking place in VN. The country of VN did exist at the time as 3 parts: Tonkin, Annam, and Cochinchina. This article is part a series of Vietnam's history articles. We have a article namely Japanese occupation of Cambodia, or maybe in the future Japanese occupation of Laos. So why not having a separate article only about VN during WWII. This article 100% entirely do NOT include events in Cambodia and Laos. If you like, you could create a new article about French Indochina in WWII with a big summary of all events in all 3 countries of VN, Cambodia, and Laos (similar to Latin America during World War II). According to Brigade Piron's logic, then either Cambodia or Laos also did NOT exist at the time; then why do we have Japanese occupation of Cambodia? ༆ (talk) 20:44, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
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    • Cambodia and Laos existed but their parallels were Annam, Cochinchina, and Tonkin, not "Vietnam", a term that had yet to be widely used.  AjaxSmack  03:56, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. "Vietnam" is both an anachronism and an incorrect designation for the scope of the article. A title like Annam, Cochinchina, and Tonkin in World War II is pedantic and unwieldy. And, as it stands now, the article refers to "Indochina" throughout. But User:༆'s point about the Japanese occupation of Cambodia article is valid. A stubby section with a {{main}} hatnote on Cambodia should be added and I will be happy to do it myself. —  AjaxSmack  03:56, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
    • What about Japanese occupation of Indonesia. Indonesia was not yet proclaimed at the time. The only territory existed was the former Dutch East Indies. If this article was moved to "French Indochina in WWII", then we would move the other to "Japanese occupation of Dutch East Indies". I can create a super-mother article naming "French Indochina in WWII" no problem, with a brief summary of events in all 3 countries. But leave this article's title alone. Furthermore, Mongol invasion of Vietnam? seriously, the name "Vietnam" didnt exist at the time. Should it be moved to "Mongol invasion of Dai Viet"? Probably yes. ༆ (talk) 07:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
      • Thanks for bringing up the Indonesia article which I hadn't noticed by the way. You're absolutely correct that it should be Dutch East Indies, I'll propose a move for it later.Brigade Piron (talk) 08:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. The term "Vietnam" was in use at the time, but the relevant unit for a history during World War II is either French Indochina or Laos/Cambodia/Tonkin/Annam/Cochinchina. The Cambodian article ought to be a sub-article of this one, as should be the articles on the Japanese invasion in 1940 and coup in 1945. There is no problem dividing up the article based on geography, but to make the unit of focus Vietnam is a bit anachronistic—and splits Laos and Cambodia off from the topic unnecessarily, which doesn't help the reader grasp the situation. Srnec (talk) 14:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Support; the modern Vietnam didn't exist at the time, and the current title is anachronistic. I would, however, favour expanding the article to cover more of French Indochina. bobrayner (talk) 19:45, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
For all those involved in this discussion, I have started a move request for Japanese occupation of Indonesia suggested above. I would welcome you comments. Brigade Piron (talk) 09
12, 25 August 2013 (UTC)