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Etymology[edit]

The etymology given is wrong. Its name does not 'come from the fact that the cleaned cloth is left more "full" (springy of texture) than was the dirty cloth before fulling'. It comes from a Latin word "Fullo". Where the Latin comes from is not known. See Online Etymology Dictionary and many other dictionaries. 192.117.103.141 3 July 2005 11:16 (UTC)

The OED (2nd Edition) says that the Latin term fullare, "to full cloth," comes from fullo, "a fuller," a term of unknown origin. There are also Old French and obsolete English usages with the sense of "to step on or trample down." Since the article doesn't list any sources contradicting this, I'm removing the part about cleaning togas. Chelt 18:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Why?
Fuller's Earth
Used by fullers, it has detergent qualities[1], used to remove oils and grease. Fullers stomp on clothing to get the earth properly mixed in with the clothing (like an agitating washing machine).
~ender 2008-11-28 23:00:PM MST


Use of Human Urine[edit]

What about the use of human urine in fulling? I think it'd be fairly good to at least give it a mention. It was important enough in Rome to levy a tax, after all. 74.116.116.101 09:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Contains ammonia, used for bleaching.
~ender 2008-11-28 233:00:PM MST

Etymology of 'Tuck' mills[edit]

Hi, great to find this article! I'm wondering what the etymology of 'Tuck' in the name is? Is the origin akin to that of the 'Tuck shop'? If Tuck Mills and Fulling mills are precisely the same thing, it would appear to me that 'Tuck Mill' was far and away the most common term used in Ireland. 193.1.172.104 17:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I Have eben unable to discover a difference between Fulling Mills, Walk Mills, Tucking Mills, and Welsh Pandys. I cannot help on the etymology, but I doubt there is any close relationship with school tuck shops. Peterkingiron 17:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

From Oxford English Dictionary, Compact Edition: "'Tuck : To dress or finish (cloth) after it comes from the weaver, esp. to stretch on tenters; cf. TUCKER sb. I; also intr. to work as a tucker. Now local'". The meaning 'tuck' for cloth making was implied in the word tucker, the earliest example of which was in 1273. The earliest sample of a phrase having tuck (with the spelling ytouked) was in 1377. The word appears to correspond to the Middle Low German words tucken or tocken (to draw, pull sharply or forcibly)--Mirrordor 23:24, 20 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrordor (talkcontribs)

Pandy[edit]

The Pandy article seems to refer to a different name for a fulling mill; if this is correct, it does not need a separate article. The information in that article, if verifiable, should be merged. —Snigbrook 15:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Don Quixote reference[edit]

The (admittedly superfluous) reference in Don Quixote can be found in Part 1, Chapter XX. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.31.7.21 (talk) 13:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Irreversible Shrinking[edit]

The shrunken result is dense, durable, and irreversible. This sentence needs back up/reference data or verification. Application of heat lengthens the wool fibres and open up their scales. So, if heat is applied to a shrunk wool and tenterhooks or weights are used to stretch the material, the shrinking may be reversed. It may well be that the reversing process is not practical on a finished piece of garment, but possible on the wool yarn. I understand that a dirty beret can be washed as long as one keeps the wet beret stretched on a form until it dries.--Mirrordor 22:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirrordor (talkcontribs)

An uncommon property of wool fibers is that they have microscopic barbs running along the length. Mechanical agitation such as hammering or agitating in a washing machine causes the barbs to link together, similar to Velcro. Thus the felting is an irreversible and it causes shrinkage in all directions. Any mention of "thickening" in this article is suspect. I am familiar with this property of wool because it was used to make the press felts for paper machines. These are the fabrics that transported the wet paper web through the press rolls and onto which the expressed water was absorbed.Phmoreno (talk) 02:51, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Biblical References[edit]

I have removed the erroneous 'first mention by Jesus in the new testament', and have replaced it with citations from both testaments. I don't know how to reference the Bible, so it may need cleaning up. Additionally, there is the issue of whether we're talking about Old Testament authorage, or 'best translation' - my references are from the King James version: many translations - most modern ones - do not use the word at all (except in the sense of 'fuller than' for a full vessel). Heenan73 (talk) 12:57, 26 February 2013 (UTC)