Talk:Fun Home (musical)

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Musical numbers[edit]

This article could use a check on the accuracy of the musical numbers. The very complex production was subject to an unusual degree of revision right up to its opening night and probably the list of musical numbers is out of date. Unforunately the program (PlayBill) distributed by the show doesn't list the musical numbers. There are also sequences that mix dialog interspersed with song that are not obviously musical numbers, or not. This is typical of Tesori's through-composing style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.128.87.70 (talk) 18:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Compendium of reviews[edit]

In addition to the reviews excerpted in the article, Playbill has a compendium of reviews here. If anyone wants to expand the reviews section, they can use that resource. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:59, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another possible resource[edit]

There's a nice interview with Bechdel about the play here. I'm not sure exactly what section this would fall under, but it might be a good resource if anyone's planning on expanding the article. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:36, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another good interview with Bechdel talking about the play, by the author of Fairyland, can be found here. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:53, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Number of extensions[edit]

OK, figure this one out: we have five different citations from Playbill, indicating that on five different occasions the run of Fun Home was extended. Except that the most recent one is titled "Fun Home Given Fourth Extension". I've changed the text to say "multiple times", but this is just weird. Apparently Playbill can't count? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:10, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cutting these down for the GAR, but I wanted to leave the references here in case there is any future discussion of the number of extensions (4 or 5):[1][2][3][4][5]—Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:22, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Hetrick, Adam (October 15, 2013). "Jeanine Tesori-Lisa Kron Musical Fun Home Extends Public Theater Run Prior to Opening". Playbill. Retrieved October 18, 2013.
  2. ^ Hetrick, Adam (October 28, 2013). "Jeanine Tesori-Lisa Kron Musical Fun Home Extends for Second Time at the Public". Playbill. Retrieved November 3, 2013.
  3. ^ Hetrick, Adam (November 12, 2013). "Jeanine Tesori-Lisa Kron Musical 'Fun Home' Gets Third Extension at the Public Theater". Playbill. Retrieved November 16, 2013.
  4. ^ Hetrick, Adam (November 15, 2013). "Jeanine Tesori-Lisa Kron Musical 'Fun Home' Extends Again, Now Through Dec. 29". Playbill. Retrieved November 16, 2013.
  5. ^ Gioia, Michael; Hetrick, Adam (December 4, 2013). "Jeanine Tesori-Lisa Kron Musical 'Fun Home' Given Fourth Extension". Playbill. Retrieved December 6, 2013.

Errors in the August 8, 2013 Playbill Citation[edit]

The article cited at PlayBill.com dated August 8, 2013 has at least one error: the roles of Christian and John have their credits swapped. Griffin Birney played Christian and Noah Hinsdale played John. The actual Playbill program for the show, the Internet Broadway Database, and the credits on the cast CD recording all have it right (as does now this article). As an added source, the author of this note is Noah Hinsdale's father and is quite sure about it. ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnHinsdale (talk • contribs) 00:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the correction! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:54, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sydney Lucas[edit]

So, anybody up for creating an article for Sydney Lucas? With her Obie win, she would seem to meet the notability criteria. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do it right now, but if anybody wants to take it on, her win would be a great candidate for WP:DYK. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:13, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously, if anyone does this, we'd have to figure out the best way to disambiguate young Syndey from Syd Lucas the WWI and WWII veteran; Sydney Lucas is currently a redirect to him. Dunno whether Sydney Lucas (actress) is the best option, or if she could take over the Sydney Lucas page title. Anyway, if somebody wants to tackle this, her web site is here; there are good articles about her here and here. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:50, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and created a stub at Sydney Lucas with appropriate hat notes at that article and Syd Lucas. Please go ahead and improve the article further. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I kept working, and it is no longer a stub.4meter4 (talk) 23:01, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Cirt (talk · contribs) 05:22, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]


I will review this article. — Cirt (talk) 05:22, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good article nomination on hold[edit]

This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write. This is how the article, as of October 4, 2014, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?:
  1. NOTE: Please respond, below my entire GA Review, and not interspersed throughout, thanks!
  2. Lede intro sect = The first paragraph is the only paragraph and it's a bit big in size. Please divide it into at least 2 paragraphs. Then please expand the lede intro sect a bit more, per WP:LEAD, so it can function as an adequate standalone summary of the entire article's contents.
  3. Number of cites after sentences = on non-contentious material, no need for more than three (3) cites after sentences. Please trim these down as it looks quite odd in the text to have more than three (3) cites at ends of sentences.
  4. Cites in lede intro sect = no need for cites at all in lede intro sect. None of the material is controversial or contentious. Please make sure it is sourced later in the article, per WP:LEADCITE.
  5. Body text = a bunch of one-sentence-long-paragraphs and two-sentence-long-paragraphs. Good rule of thumb for paragraph size is four sentences. Please expand and/or merge these short paragraphs into other places to ease readability and structural presentation for the reader.
  6. Might consider adding a See also and/or Further reading sects.
  7. Notable newspapers and publications should be blue wikilinked in the Critical reception sect.
  8. Problem: "Fun Home is a musical adapted by Lisa Kron and Jeanine Tesori from Alison Bechdel's 2006 graphic memoir of the same name. As in the book, the story concerns the father-daughter relationship between Alison Bechdel and her father Bruce Bechdel." -- This info is in the lede but not in the main body text of article except for Plot summary sect but that is for presentation of the fictional version. Need to add Background sect to ground the reader in factual context, and add it above the Development and production sect. Per WP:LEAD, the lede intro sect should not introduce new info not later in the article, but rather summarize the article itself and be sourced to cited sentences later in the article.
2. Factually accurate?: No issues here. Duly cited throughout to appropriate sources in properly formatted citations.
3. Broad in coverage?: The article is indeed thorough, covering major aspects of subject in good amount of depth.
4. Neutral point of view?: No issues here. Appears neutrally presented, with multiple points of view represented in Critical reception section.
5. Article stability? No issues here. Upon inspection of article edit history I'm seeing some IP edits with no edit summaries, be on the lookout for that in the future please in case they may add unsourced info, etc. Edit history of article is stable going back over one month. Similar with talk page history, no outstanding major conflicts either.
6. Images?: No issues here. One image used File:Fun Home musical original Playbill cover, October.jpg, with appropriate fair use rationale on image page.


NOTE: Please respond, below my entire GA Review, and not interspersed throughout, thanks!

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far. — Cirt (talk) 16:46, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Response[edit]

OK, I think all these issues have been addressed. Please let me know if any of them need further attention.

  1. Specific responses to points under "Well written?" below:
  2. The lede has been divided into three paragraphs. I think that with the added "Background" section, the lede is now an adequate summary of the remainder of the article; the only main body sections which are not summarized in the lede are the character list, the plot summary and the list of songs. I'm not sure how or whether those should be summarized in the lede; the only thing that I can see possibly adding is a bit more detail on the plot (though that would be difficult, considering the play's structure). Let me know whether you think that would be helpful.
  3. The citations have been trimmed. The only sentence which now has more than three (3) citations is the one which lists the awards won by the play; those are necessary, because each award has its own citation.
  4. Citations in the lede have been removed, except for the citation of the June Thomas Slate quotation, since WP:LEADCITE says that direct quotations require an inline citation. I was uncertain about whether the citations in the infobox should be removed or not — is the infobox considered part of the lede for citation purposes or not?
  5. Many of the short paragraphs have been consolidated or expanded. A few remain; these are distinct in subject matter from the paragraphs which precede or follow them, and so do not lend themselves easily to consolidation. If this is still a concern, I can work on them further.
  6. Further reading section added.
  7. Publications in Critical reception linked, with the exception of Mic, which appears not to have a Wikipedia article yet.
  8. Background section added; all information in lede now present in article body.

Thank you for the review; please let me know if any of these matters requires further attention. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:56, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Passed as GA[edit]

Passed as GA. Great job, I've never had a GA nominator so incredibly responsive to all my suggestions, thank you!!! — Cirt (talk) 08:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What, never? Thanks! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 14:24, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New Broadway Picture[edit]

Can we put the picture of the new broadway poster as the main picture for this article. It makes sense because that's how it is advertised at this moment and it just looks better. [[

File:Http://broadwaymusicalhome.com/images/merch/funcd2.jpg

]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:E:8D00:5BC0:E10C:EA00:C4C:FB5A (talk) 01:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Alison's coming out[edit]

The Background section of the article states: "Alison's coming out as a lesbian is complicated by the revelation that Bruce was a closeted homosexual whose extra-marital affairs included underage men". I have reverted an edit that implied that the problem was the Bruce "cheated on his wife". This is what the source (a NYT article) states:

"With a closeted father in the house, perhaps it was natural to doubt the truth. At 13 Ms. Bechdel gets a hint of her father's secret when he confides that he has been ordered by the court to see a psychiatrist. ... The mandated six months of counseling hints at a more serious offense than the official charge of offering beer to a minor in his car. ... On a ride to a movie theater ... [Bruce] tentatively talks about his sexual experiences. ... Four months before the fatal day she informed her parents that she was a lesbian. Her mother countered with news about her husband's affairs with men."

The source makes it clear that Bechdel's coming out "was complicated by" Bruce's being closeted and his liasons with minors. The marital infidelity is not a complicating issue for Alison in coming out. Nevertheless, any homosexual affair by Bruce was obviously extra-marital, so I have added that. But to focus on "cheating" is to misrepresent the content and focus of the source. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:41, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Error re: first Broadway musical to feature a lesbian protagonist[edit]

The cited article (footnote 1) is incorrect in its assertion that Fun Home was the first Broadway musical to feature a lesbian protagonist. The Color Purple opened on Broadway a decade earlier and Celie, the protagonist, is a lesbian. Raethegray (talk) 23:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Celie's lesbian relationship in The Color Purple is so attenuated in the musical (as compared with the novel) that I am not sure if it is meant to be clear in the musical that she is a lesbian. Can others comment? -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:29, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the assertion is not accurate based on this assessment of lesbian characters in musicals found in Playbill which asserts that the lesbian relationship between Celie and Shug is substantial in the musical adaptation as opposed to the Spielberg film where it was hidden. However, there have been criticisms of queer representation of virtually every adaptation of the book; including the stage musical. That said, one could also argue that Maureen and Joanne were part of an ensemble of main protagonists in Rent to further muddy the waters. Obviously Alison was a groundbreaking role for many reasons, but I agree that Celie can not be overlooked as a lesbian protagonist.4meter4 (talk) 19:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good. I moved it out the lead and streamlined it to be only about this subject. The other musicals' articles can make their own referenced assertions about it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:13, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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