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New sources[edit]

Since I am adding new sources quite rapidly, it would be great if someone could go through and remove less than optimal sources where there are now too many of them. I still have a few areas left to collect sources from, but it already is starting to look crowded in the lead. My current focus is to try finding suitable sources for the body, but as I go through books/sites/news, some might still end up being added to the lead. Belorn (talk) 14:17, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll do a cleanup, but I would like to see the whole picture first. So go on adding sources. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talktrack) 14:25, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. It will take me a few more days, but I will get there. Belorn (talk) 14:30, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Lets call this an early first version. If there are areas needing more sources, just drop an template. When reading, please read the sources carefully. Sometimes multiple sources exist because each one are support only partial part of the claim, but together they support the whole claim. There is also the goal to improve the article text to better reflect the collective story from the sources, so do so when you can. Most importantly, lets try keep good Etiquette and work towards agreement if there are areas which are lacking in quality or truth. Belorn (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Good show, Belorn. ¦ Reisio (talk) 02:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Misuse of {{rp}}[edit]

The {{rp}} template appears to be being misused to place external links in superscripts. This is not it's intended usage, and prevents the actual title, publisher, etc. of the documents from being displayed or seen in the referernces section. These should be converted to proper citations in footnotes. Yworo (talk) 17:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

A unix like operating system or many?[edit]

Is GNU one operating system, because whenver I see a Unix-like OS it's always a Linux distribution like Debian or Ubuntu, never "GNU on its own" (whatever that is) The point of GNU is it's free and you can modify it, "make your own OS" so is it really correct to say that its one operatin system and not many? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.101.97 (talk) 13:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

GNU is not an operating system, it is an organization and set of tools. The Hurd kernel components are GNU's operating system, and this article should be rewritten from scratch to counteract the GNU POV that's seeped in. 63.153.253.49 (talk) 23:38, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
(I've just edited my longer post because I think this topic isn't worth the frustration.) I totally disagree with the previous editor's explanation, just as I disagree with Richard Stallman's explanation. The truth, I feel, lies in between. GNU was intended to be an operating system but is not a complete OS today. That doesn't mean that Linux is an operating system. Anyway, this article is most certainly written from the perspective that Linux IS an operating system and that GNU is not, right from the opening paragraph. So I find it amusing that the previous editor chides at a supposedly pro-GNU bias. Meh. This argument will go on for a long time. :) 192.171.51.107 (talk) 16:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Gnu dab page[edit]

I think that GNU Project and probably List of GNU packages should be listed at GNU (disambiguation), to help the reader find them. Another editor thinks that they should not be there, because of a rule against using part of the article name. What do you think? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 16:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

@Bubba73:
  • The proper place to reach a consensus about this is Talk:GNU (disambiguation), not this talk page. Please set up two sections there. One for each article you wish to list. The Wikipedia issues are different.
  • I'll join the consensus making after you do so.
  • I also suggest you read WP:PTM, the guideline (it's not a rule) the editor is using. Then think carefully about whether it allows an exception for either article, and/or whether you can make a good argument for making an exception to it, based on Wikipedia's goals and principles.
Lentower (talk) 17:42, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but I put it here because over 200 editors watch this page. Probably no one would see it at the GNU dab. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 19:37, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I appreciate your good faith efforts to resolve this issue via consensus.
  • As I already said, Wikipedia wants that discussion at Talk:GNU (disambiguation).
  • So far, two editors saw the request at Talk:GNU (disambiguation).
  • You can ask editors to add to a consensus on other talk pages, but note WP:Canvass. Many editors would view what you did in this section as inappropriate — see the sub-section WP:Votestacking and the rest of that section. Consensus should be developed from a set of editors that represent all of Wikipedia. (The three other Rfcs linked to at Talk:GNU (disambiguation) should provide balance, so I don't see a real issue with what you did here.)
Lentower (talk) 05:22, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I was definitely not looking for people who would side with me. I figured that the 200+ editors who watch this page would have a better idea of whether or not those changes should be made to the dab page than I would. Anyhow, I think this is making a mountain out of a molehill. I think guidelines should be ignored when they get in the way of helping the reader. But this isn't worth my time, so I'm leaving the GNU discussion and I don't care what happens to it. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:37, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
@Bubba73: Sad to see you go. We disagree about the best use of dab pages to help the reader. Canvassing problems have less to do with intent than what happens; best for Wikipedia to be aware of how to do canvassing to insure wide input, avoid WP:NPOV issues, etc. — Lentower (talk) 17:41, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested Move[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure)innotata 23:25, 18 October 2014 (UTC)



GNUGNU operating system – I believe that some people (if not most people) know "GNU" from the GNU Project and things that came from the project, such as GNU General Public License (GPL), GNU Compiler Collection (gcc), GNU Debugger (gdb) or GNU Core Utilities (coreutils).

However, the GNU operating system is not widely known (at least not known as "GNU"), since it is usually combined with the Linux kernel (this is explicitly mentioned on the GNU homepage, resulting in a system usually called Linux. Although there is some GNU/Linux naming controversy, but it seems like the majority of the people call it as Linux.

Here is some more information on the naming problem, and I hope that another flame war won't happen here.

My opinion is to move content on this page to GNU operating system (which is currently a redirect to this page), and change this page into a redirect to GNU (disambiguation). The GNU link in the disambiguation page would also have to be changed. Theemathas (talk) 03:57, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Oppose - GNU is the primary topic; if sources use "GNU" by itself, they are referring to this subject. If they mean the GNU GPL, they use GNU GPL, they never refer to the GPL as simply GNU. There is no subject that is referred to simply as GNU which competes with this subject as a primary topic, and that GNU itself isn't as widely used as the GNU GPL or coreutils doesn't mean that this article's title needs to be changed, there is nothing wrong with this article being at this title, and the rationale given doesn't support the change in the context of WP:AT. - Aoidh (talk) 15:14, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Aoidh: most sources I've seen use "GNU" to refer to operating system, and specify particular GNU project otherwise. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talktrack) 08:04, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.