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- 1 Five F's
- 2 Gallbladder in Chinese language
- 3 Importance of the gallbladder
- 4 Gallbladder cleanse?
- 5 Editting help
- 6 Missing illustration caption, and a missing word in another ...
- 7 gallbladder relationship to acid reflux?
- 8 more depth on gallbladder removal
- 9 Function?
- 10 Anthropocentric
- 11 Polyps
- 12 Invitation to edit
- 13 Link correction
- I have yet to encounter a patient with symptomatic gallstones who does not have several of the "five F's". This is a clinical truism which has served doctors for decades, and should remain in the article unless it has been actively disproven in a case-control study. Could you provide such a study? Lately, the BMJ has run some articles that debunk classical truisms (such as "drinking enough" in patients with a chest infection). I argue strongly in favour of inclusion until such a study result has been presented. JFW | T@lk 18:39, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Gallbladder in Chinese language
Throughout Chinese history and written in literature, the gallbladder has been associated with fear and symbolized courage. For instance, the phrase "bursting a gallbladder" refers to an horrifying experience that can traumatize or kill the faint-hearted. People who are fearless are said to have a large gallbladder. Though it sounds unscientific, but it has not been proven or unproven if such Chinese belief was based on empirical observations that has survived milleniums through Chinese traditions. According to Chinese old wives tales, if an infant is bad, he/she will poop greenish feces which is believed to be bile from the gallbladder. It would be interesting if this kind of observations are cross examined scientifically. Any medical professional care to comment?
Importance of the gallbladder
I am soon about to get my gallbladder removed due to gallstones. I am searching the web to find information on how important the gallbladder is and how well one can manage without it. I asked my doctor about it and the answer I got was "one generally manages fine without the gallbladder", but I would really like to read the effects from several sources. I bet there must be SOME reason the gallbladder is there and something bad will come when you get rid of it. On this page it says the gallbladder stores bile, well I already knew that, but why is that needed; and what is bad when your body does not have this "bile buffert" anymore? As far as I know this buffert does not really matter? Obviously we (as animals) survived better with this bile buffert in the past and therefor it is there. Anyways, I would be really happy if someone could add a little more information on this subject.
- My wife has been without her gallbadder for many years. She has to limit her fat intake, since the bile is used to digest fat. She has learned just how much fat she can eat per meal, since too much fat intake causes discomfort.
- Mike B22.214.171.124 17:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Both my wife and I had our gall bladders removed (hers when she was in her teens, me, when I was 29). She has issues with a lot of foods and was diagnosed with a spastic sphincter of Oddi (sp?) that causes her to vomit. She also has diarrhea issues. She is otherwise is good health and an ideal weight. She doesn't eat red meat. I'm 20lbs overweight and don't have as many problems, but there are a lot of foods that send me immediately to the restroom. Shame in using public toilets is quickly replaced! —Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeSims (talk • contribs) 23:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have gone for about four years with gallbladder problems and have not had then diagnosed until very recently. It has me questioning the validity of doctors. The attacks have been excruciating. I can't say how painful they are. A few days ago, I ended up in the emergency room loaded full of pain killers.
As I understand it: gallstones (balls in the gallbladder consisting mostly of cholesterol) give the gallbladder a rather difficult time in functioning. The gallbladder's job is to excrete bile and thus help digest fats. I ate a really fatty burrito with a friend of mine the other day and the worst attack yet set my gallbladder off... emergency room ect. I don't even eat fatty food often and don't even like most fatty foods! I have probably eaten fast food three or four times in the past year! Anyway, this made my gallbladder spasm. Much worse has happened to others with the same problem.
The doctor told me right off I need surgery... right... I am 23, pretty healthy, I work out... isn't removing an entire organ going a bit overboard? If it is surgery, then why not just remove the gallstone? One reason might be that other gallstones can form later. The doctor really discredited himself to me by making his first and only suggestion surgery. It also occurred to me that surgery is the method that would give him the most money.
Anyway, I have done some research. Apparently there are some gallbladder flushes one can do. They consist largely of gulping down some lemon juice and olive oil. There are some variations like including epson salt or using apple juice instead of lemon juice. I have not found any FDA approved or official stamp on this research so far. I have not researched this detail of treatment as much as I would like to since I have only found out a few days ago that I have gallstones and haven't been able to do allot due to recovering from the pain. There are also other non surgical approaches used when one cannot have surgery.
Surprisingly, surgery is the most used practice in dealing with gallstones when they cause pain. Personally, I think that is a bit dramatic. If I removed my feet or my large intestine, I wouldn't have problems with them either now, would I? Once again, I am reminded the surgical option is the most lucrative for our doctors.
There are organs we really don't need. We can go with just one lung and we don't need an appendix. There are many people who go on after having their gallbladders removed and live a relatively unaffected life. However, there are those who can't eat or function quite the same as before. GALLBLADDER
The resources I have found vary from personal experiences to home remedies to legitimate medical sites and all seem to argue with bias. I can’t find one source that credits itself in my eyes and I am about to tear my one gallbladder out with my own hands. Why can’t someone just state the facts instead of twisting them into arguments? This really says something for medical practice in the west. I have looked to educate myself on the gallbladder and what my choices are and in the end, I have only dug myself further into a hole. I am discouraged and by the time I do come across someone who is trustworthy, I won’t know it!
- I have gone little more than 1 year of gallbladder problems. The attacks for me was horrible, when I had them they kept me up all night long for, at the time, seemingly endless periods of pain. After a few attacks I went to my local hospital, they did the ultrasound scanning and other tests and a few doctors concluded that it would be best if my gallbladder was removed. My gallbladder contained many small stones that might grow and get released in the future. My bladder was also "infected"/"irritated" (dont know the english word), due to the long term presence of stones. Not only did this mean that I would get many attacks in the future, but apparently there is some risk that a unhealty "infected" gallbladder can pose some danger to the pancreas, which is not good. This, in combination with that the operation (Laparoscopic) is relatively safe and pose little or no problems later in life was the reasons they recommended removal of the gallbladder. So, just a little more than 30 hours ago my operation was started, and now I am home and feel surprisingly good. The wounds (four small) on my stomach ache a little but otherwise I have no pain in my stomach. How much other things in life will be affected I have still to find out, but it does not seem like a "big thing" to remove the gallbladder. My grandmother and my farthers-sister have also had their gallbladders removed (there can be a heritage factor in gallstone problems) with no problems later in life. Apparantly most people with gallstones do it where I live (sweden). Also the hospital is free and not a corporation with for-profit-motive, so I dont think money has anything to do with it. In the end I think you should trust your doctor or to be sure, get a second opinion from another doctor, instead of what websites say on the matter. Also the situation is different from person to person. When I got my recommendation, I asked one doctor if there are any medical or food solution to my problem, and her response was "It does not work good as a permanent solution, and it is better to remove the bladder under controlled forms when you are young than in emergency (like during an attack) when you are older".
- Good luck!
- The choice wether to have surgery or not is of course yours and yours alone. It is perfectly possible to opt not to have the gallbladder removed, if you are willing to make huge changes in your dietary habits. Yes, that means not eating burritos anymore. I have one comment though: Before you accuse your doctor of suggesting surgery out of economic motives you should read about cholecystitis, ascending cholangitis and pancreatitis and the various other complications that can arise from living with a gallbladder full of stones. This might convince you that (at least part of) the motivation for suggesting surgery is out of concern for your well-being. --TorArne 07:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello all, Interesting reading! I am not part of the 5'"F's", male 61, 175lbs(not overweight) and experienced my second gall bladder pain attack, somewhat interestingly enough, my wife, same age and neither overweight experienced her's over 2.5 years ago and the doctor's rec. was: "take it out", we however went the alternative route and she has lived since without attacks by taking natural supplements perscribed by a naturopath (billyherb, lecithin etc.)and is watching what she eats: (Easy on the eggs and coffee or other fatty meals.) Now, both of us are active, eat a balanced healthy diet and hardly any junk food. And based on her experience and my belief that the gall bladder IS in my body for a reason I will try anything before I will let someone cut me and take out an organ. I also belief that western medicine (in particular North American) needs to get an open mind and accept some alternative modalities. We spend some time in Europe and the doctor we had there was an MD but his first line of treatment was homeopathy and as a last resort prescribe medicine as we know it here in Canada. Good luck with all your gall bladders.
- Hi anonymous! How is your alternative treatment coming? Have the gall bladder pain attacks disappeared? --TorArne 07:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I had my gallbladder taken out laproscopically ten days ago. I had experienced two long years of minor, every day, dull aching pain that could not be diagnosed. I am forty, female, caucasian, 135 lbs, and have had three children. I fit the profile except for being overweight. Kidneys were tested, colon, liver, and then I tried acupuncture, chinese herbs for months, then I was finally put on antibiotics just in case and so it went unresolved. I lived on pain killers-Lortab. Gallbladder tests: ultrasounds, Hida scans did not reveal anything wrong with it. I was desperate. A Gastrointestinal Doctor diagnosed it as choleoscystitis. Laproscopy revealed that my gallbladder was entwined with my small intestine, and my stomach was ovelapping the whole package! The surgeon reorganized my guts, took out my gallbladder and I feel great. Now I am trying to discover the best way to eat now, as I am experiencing some disturbances with digestion....not pain, just intestinal/bowel rapidity. Any suggestions? By the way this series of pain began after I went on a long bout of the South Beach Diet to lose a bit of weight from pregnancy.
Hi, I need to know what the gall bladder really does in the whole body system and not just a store pocket for bile, does it help in the cleansing process of all things put in the mouth. or is it just a useless piece of machinary that we don'y really need.
- Hi... you. (Please sign your comments.) The gallbladder is "just" a pocket for bile, but that is not to say that it is useless. Bile plays an important role in digestion, as well as serving other functions which you can read about in the bile article. You can however live without the gallbladder, as patients with recurring gallbladder problems often have to. The bile will then be secreted directly from the liver into the duodenum in a steady trickle, forcing cholectomized patients to regulate their eating habits, ie. eating smaller meals and less fatty foods. Hope this clears things up. --TorArne 16:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi in Jan. I had my gall bladder taken out. I feel a million times better. Before I had my surgery I had problems for about 2 years, stress, food, pms all would cause "flare ups". I also in this time period I had multiple UTInfections and a Kidney Infection. When talking to my doctor in the emergency room he explained what it did, the effects of it on my system, and what might happen if I didn't have surgery. He also explained that because I had these other problems he felt that it would be better to get rid of it to prevent problems in the future. He told me that because the gall bladder wasn't doing its job the way it was supposed to it cause problems for the rest of my digestive system. I agree if its not a major problem than don't worry about it. I do however agree that if you do have a major problem with surgery ask another doctor. I had surgery on a Fri. and I was able to go back the next Wed. I'm on a Low Fat Diet, lots of Fiber and Veggies, basically eating the way you are supposed to. I've even use Weight Watchers meals and tips. I feel Amazing and I don't have to take special medicines, pills, Vitamins, calcium etc. To be completely honest looking at my bills afterwards the doctor was WAY cheaper that the hosptial. And if its a good doctor they don't do it for the money. But Good Luck and I hope you Figure out what works for you.SLClute —Preceding unsigned comment added by SLClute (talk • contribs) 18:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm kinda new here but someone messed with the Anatomy section on this page. I tried reverting it back but I failed horribly. If someone could please revert it back to (cur) (last) 01:51, 12 January 2007. That was when it was ok before someone vandalized it! ~Velcius (not registered yet)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 03:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC).
a) Under one of the illustrations is this caption: "The portal vein and its through a laparoscope." I'm sure there should be something (I just don't know what) following the "its" there. Its best friend? Its smallest microscope? Its first personal computer? :)
b) There's no caption at all beneath the final illustration (lower-right in the box, that is). But I sure don't know enough to (ha ha) take a stab at it.
timbo 17:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- For the first issue, was vandalism. It is now reverted. For the second issue, if you click on the image, it will show you what each number stands for. --Arcadian 19:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
gallbladder relationship to acid reflux?
I'm wondering if anyone has had any issue with the opposite of gallstones? For the first 20 yrs of my life, I could barely force vegetables down. They smelled good, looked good and I wanted to eat them, but would gag when I tried to eat them. After having a child, I was able to eat just about anything... About 9 years ago, I was waking up every morning vomiting small amounts of what appeard to be bile...no, I was not pregnant. I had a complete physical and blood work up and my results were so good (excellent were her words that my doctor asked me what kinds of foods I ate. My cholesterol was perfect according to her. I used to eat things like vegetables, spicy food, rice, potatoes, fried foods, baked foods and stayed away from red meat as much as possible limiting it to 1-2 times a month. I would have one 4 oz cup of coffee in the morning and maybe 2 sodas a week. They did an ultrasound on my gallbladder thinking something was wrong there and found nothing. After more exams/tests and logging my diet, I was told I was eating too many fruits and vegetables! How many people are ever told that?? The explaination was that they had a lot of sugar and acid and that was causing acid reflux & irritable bowl syndrom. So I take meds for that and can't eat healthy without getting sick. There is a history of gallbladder problems in my family that family members think are related to having acid reflux and irritable bowl syndrom. Yet no one can explain it or how to fix it. I'm now obese and really miss the foods I used to eat and would like to go back to it. Anyone have any information to the relationship between the gallbladder, acid reflux and irritable bowl syndrom? And if so any feedback on things to try to fix it?
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I need to know how do you know it is your gal blaader i am havving upper left abdoman pain and burping this awful egg smell and taste? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 22:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
more depth on gallbladder removal
I think this should be added, such as why it may need to be removed at the effects of having it removed and etc. LwSiX 15:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed, needs improvement. I don't understand why the article is almost a dry medical listing. There is interesting info on the talk page that should otherwise be in the article. It would also cut down the need for people to use this page to explain their personal issues. --Shuki 19:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree totally with this superb summary assessment on the article -vs- talk page; well put!184.108.40.206 18:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
There are many species of mammals with differing gallbladder anatomies or entirely lacking in the gallbladder. Article needs to have more balance and broad coverage amongst mammalian (at least) species. Umbertoumm (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- I would split the article into two: one about the human gallbladder, another about this organ in other animals. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
hello .. I am not sure if i am at the right page to be asking this question.. if i am not then i appoligize now..
Our mother is a very healthy 73 yr young women always been full of life never been ill in her her life time.. After three wks in hospital they did many test and finally decide it was a gol.lstone.. after procedure today nov 16 2010 they pulled three extremley large stones including little bits of more
and after this they did a oltrisound of her liver and found what they think might be a growth or inflamation. the docotrs wanted to send her home tomorrow or the next day then came back and said she will be there for the next fes days before considering sending her home.. My mother is very scared and so are we.. my question will the liver take over any infection she has had or maybe still has even though the stones have been removed? I must mention she has no taste buds or appetite for almost a month . a rash on her legs that broke outt about a wk ago and swollen legs and ankes but yet she feels no pain or discomfort....I WOULD LOVE TOO HEAR ANYTHING THAT COULD HELP US OUT FOR PEACE OF MIND... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Some years ago I added a section on polyps and another on cancer. I see someone totally removed any mention of polyps and moved the cancer section to a new article which doesn't mention polyps. Polyps are the leading cause of gallbladder cancer.
Why was that done?
Having information on polyps might save someone's life!
Invitation to edit
It is proposed that Gallbladder be part of the trial of a new template; see the green strip at the top of Pain where it has been in place for a couple of months. The purpose of this project is to encourage readers to edit, while equipping them with the basic tools. If you perceive a problem with this, or have any suggestions for improvement, please discuss at the project talk page. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 10:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC) IMPORTANT QUESTION Hello everyone...my mother after a persistent pain in the abdomen has had a surgery done to remove the stones in her CBD(common bile duct). now the doctors are suggesting removing her gall bladder in a day or two..i know that many people live an unaffected life after removal..but my mother has had a kidney operation done a few years back(kidney transplant) and her haemoglobin levels are 8.3..also she suffers from high blood pressure(hypertension)...low calcium levels and a lot of weakness...i doubt that whether this is the last resort to get her gall bladder removed and complicate things further..they say people suffer from chronic bronchtis and persistent pain in the abdomen...now i need immediate guidance what should be done..please i shall be obliged to hear from u soon..thank u... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:34, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
జీర్ణ ఆరోగ్యం మీ శరీరం మీరు జీవించడానికి అవసరం శక్తిని గ్రహిస్తాయి కాబట్టి మీ జీర్ణ వ్యవస్థ దాని ప్రాథమిక భాగాలు లోకి ఆహార విచ్ఛిన్నం. మీ జీర్ణ వ్యవస్థ అన్ని శరీర భాగాలను ఆ ప్రక్రియ ఆహార మరియు మీ నోటి నుండి మీ జీర్ణకోశ చివర, వ్యర్థాలు తొలగించటానికి. జీర్ణ వాహిక యొక్క వ్యాధులు సమర్థవంతంగా మీరు తినడానికి ఆహార ఉపయోగించి నుండి మీ శరీరం నిరోధించవచ్చు. మలబద్దకం, గుండెల్లో, ఉబ్బరం మరియు అతిసారం సాధారణంగా ఓవర్ కౌంటర్ మందులు చికిత్స సులభం, కానీ కూడా తీవ్రమైన సమస్యలు సంకేతాలు ఉంటుంది. మీరు మలం, తీవ్ర కడుపు నొప్పి లేదా వివరణ లేని బరువు నష్టం నిరంతర లక్షణాలు, రక్తం, మీరు వైద్య కోరుకుంటారు ఉండాలి. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 06:39, 30 November 2013 (UTC)