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Hey! Who let you in here? Gamaliel 01:05, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Well, if they'll let you in... :) Tregoweth 05:28, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Copyright problems

  • Gamaliel from "The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume VI Copyright © 1909 by Robert Appleton Company" - Lucky 6.9 01:57, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
    • I do believe 1909 is quite all right. Mike H 01:58, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)
      • Possibly. Just being careful. - Lucky 6.9 02:01, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

forgot reference to[edit]

Gamaliel as the Anti-Sephirah of Yesod on the Tree of Death/Qliphoth in Hebrew Qabalah.

Any such reference should go in Gamaliel (disambiguation). Paul B 21:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} With regards to the two Mishnaic anecdotes, in which the king and queen ask for Gamaliel's advice about rituals, Ref 2 points to the Jewish Encyclopedia, however the more exact citation would be [Adolph Buechler.Das Synhedrion in Jerusalem,p.129. Vienna,1902.] The ref list cannot be amended. --Suburbium (talk) 20:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I've disabled the editprotected template because it is not required here. The reflist can be amended - just find the place in the wikicode where the reference is first defined and alter that. Let me know if you need any further help. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I've already added the ref. Paul B (talk) 13:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Martin/Paul.--Suburbium (talk) 17:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Confusing the Gamaliel[edit]

It seems some editors are confusing the Gamaliels. Especially ones who are adding the christian pov (e.g. stuff being added to the wrong Gamaliel). Gamaliel haZaken should not be confused with Rabban Gamaliel 1 or 2. 124.170.85.23 07:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

It is suspected that Rabban Gamaliel may have become a Christian at some point after the conversion of Saul to Paul, although it is historically uncertain if this is so. Given his relationship with Paul, the perseverance of the early Christians in Jerusalem for a time, and the fact even before the death of Jesus some of the members of the Sanhedrin had become his followers. Alexander (talk) 10:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL[edit]

There can be no suspicion that R. Gamliel became a Christian. That is POV. What is missing here is a discussion of the issues on Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin daf 90b where R. Gamliel is in an argument with _minim_ who are rejecting the resurrection of the dead. The discussion on this page would also have to answer the question whether the minim are Christians as some writers like Herford and Pranaitis claim. The answer to that question would have to draw in reliable third-party sources that explain why Christians would claim that the Bible does NOT support resurrection of the dead, a cornerstone of Christianity. 4.249.63.100 (talk) 13:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

It's not "POV", since it is not the opinion of a Wikipedia editor. It's a historical fact that Christian tradition claimed this. That doesn't make it true, or likely to be true, but it does make it notable. By all means add material on his views concerning resurrection if you have reliable sources. However I've no idea why anyone would think the 'minim' might be Christians if they are opposed to the concept of Resurrection, though I guess it could be a gnostic sect. What do Herford and Pranaitis claim? Paul B (talk) 13:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, I've had a quick look at Google books. You seem to be confusing Gamaliel I with Gamaliel II, who was the one who debated with Minim over the resurrection. Paul B (talk) 13:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The reference to Jewish tradition texts within the Christian tradition section[edit]

I'm not really sure why one would refer to texts from the Jewish tradition within a section on Gamaliel in the Christian section. It seems to me that these references are motivated by a desire to refute whatever is held to be true in the Christian tradition. Just as I see no need to intertwine the Christian and Jewish tradition within the Jewish tradition section (nor indeed to refute what is held therein), nor do I see a need to intertwine the two traditions within the Christian tradition section. Also, can I suggest that, if it is necessary to include Prof. Koester's views, they be included in another section as they do not seem to be Christian nor of that tradition? Finally, I presume that it does not need to be said that Talmud is a (collection of) source(s) which post-dates the Acts of the Apostles: I am not sure of its relevance therefore to the Christian tradition; except from a Jewish tradition perspective (which is very much a minority point of view, in any event). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.166.90.89 (talk) 16:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Page name[edit]

Is there a way to change the URL to Gamliel instead of Gamaliel? The latter might be the "Greek derivative of the Hebrew name...." as had been stated in the article, but since he was Jewish - and a very important Jew at that - who spoke Hebrew and whose name was given in Hebrew, I believe very strongly that his name ought to be transliterated into English directly from the Hebrew rather than taken from the Greek.

I cannot tell you just how offensive this sort of thing is to those who are followers of Jewihs tradition to see other religious persuasions try to claim our sages as their own and dismiss their connection to Judaism. See, for example: http://rupeenews.com/2009/01/was-musa-ibm-maymun-the-great-arab-scholar-a-muslim-or-was-moses-maimonides-a-jew/ ShagMeElmo 18:46, 14 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShagMeElmo (talkcontribs)

You can move the page by clicking Move at the top of the page. Though moving this page might require some discussion first. Until the page is moved, however, I'm going to revert your changing of the spelling until we come to a consensus on the issue. Gamaliel (talk) 18:53, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
WP:NAME means that the most common form of the name in English should be used. It is irrelevant whether or not it is "correct" ("Jesus" is an obvious example). Paul B (talk) 20:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Fishes[edit]

Michael L. Rodkinson (Ed,), New Edition of the Babylonian Talmud (1900), pp. 138-139:

As to disciples, R. Gamaliel the elder compares them to the following four kinds of fish: an unclean, a clean fish, a fish found in the Jordan, and one found in the Ocean. By an unclean fish is meant a disciple of poor intellect, who, notwithstanding his study of Scripture, Mishna, Halakhoth, and Agadoth, still remains poor-minded. By a clean fish is meant a disciple of rich intellect, who studies Scripture, Mishna, Halakhoth, and Agadoth, and develops his mind. By a fish from the Jordan is meant a scholar who has studied all the mentioned subjects, but has not acquired the faculty of answering questions put to him. And by a fish found in the Ocean is meant a scholar who studied all the above subjects and has the ability of answering the questions put to him.