Talk:Garrett Hardin

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Descriptions of Hardin's work censored?[edit]

Wow that was fast. Just hours!

Perhaps Plumbago can inform us why he removed mine and another's descriptions of Hardin's work in the Books section? He wrote in History:

"6 December 2010 Plumbago (10,470 bytes) (Partial revert to remove excessive commentary; moved some material from Books to other sections)"

No, Plumbago utterly removed them, then swiped one of my citations with reference and created an Awards section with that info, seemingly tossing the referenced he didn't like, including a ref/link to the entire Chapter 8 text.

Ideas, concepts, and arguments, in the form of books are Hardin's production. It's what he is. Without descriptions of them the article appears little different than a stub, dry and boring, if not misleading (as it appears to me). Furthermore, quotes and descriptions paint, in my opinion, a more accurate, full, and more three-dimensional picture than the gross oversimplifications otherwise presented here (as I had suggested). Obviously "excessive commentary" is not Dr. Plumbago's problem since he did not see fit to likewise butcher his buddy's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein.

Perhaps Plumbago can give a better description of his problem, or an actual constructive criticism so that we will be able to get Hardin's to more closely resemble Einstein's, to everybody's satisfaction? Or perhaps the actual problem is that Einstein's and others need mountains and mountains of excessive commentary likewise removed so as to be dry, concise, and equally boring?

I will wait a bit before undoing this vandalism, in hopes of finding mutual consensus.
No response required.

Doug Bashford--68.127.84.53 (talk) 20:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi Doug. Sorry if my edit seemed like vandalism to you, that obviously wasn't my intent. I removed some material because it was not written an in encyclopaedic style and read more like advocacy (which, for Hardin, I'm cool with; just not here). For example "He argues powerfully", "To imply that Hardin is 'that overpopulation guy,' is a gross oversimplification to the point of mis-representation". As it happens, I did not remove everything that was added, and retained the material regarding the award Living Within Limits received (to which I added a link to the Award page). Also, I moved other material from the books section to the main biographical section as it seemed out of place to me (and actually said as much in my edit summary). As to the links I removed, they were in support of the text that I judged out of place.
Anyhow, all that said, I was overzealous in purging text I thought didn't fit for style reasons. To this end, later today I will try to work in the material that you added in a more neutral way, most probably to the biography section. Cheers, --PLUMBAGO 09:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Done. I hope that fits the bill. I've tried to keep the sense of the material you added while tweaking the style to be more neutral. It's been a long, long time since I read Living Within Limits, so I may have garbled the argument while trying to rephrase it, so please edit away as you see fit. It sounds like you've read it more recently. Cheers, --PLUMBAGO 17:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

"... Hardin himself had five children"[edit]

This is correct (I believe), but appears in the article to simply undermine the preceding text. Logically it does of course, but I've definitely read something (somewhere) by Hardin that picks up this particular thread, since he was certainly aware that it made his body of work smack of "do what I say, not what I do". The source I'm half-remembering has him explicitly stating that he only came around to his views on overpopulation long after he and his wife had children. The thing is, I can't remember where I read it. I've got about 8 of his books here, but I don't think it's in any of them. Can anyone help? Cheers, --PLUMBAGO 11:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Attempt to peer review[edit]

I tried to peer review this article but no edits have been made thus far. Alix11 (talk) 00:22, 28 March 2012 (UTC)