Talk:Gary Andersen

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Head coaching record[edit]

It is the standard for CfB articles on Wikipedia to include mention of the bowl game selection and rankings at the time of departure for coaches who leave after the conclusion of the regular season but before the bowl game. Examples of this include Bret Bielema, Nick Saban, and Brady Hoke. I don't see why this article should be any different. Mackensen (talk) 13:04, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

@Mackensen: The section is "Head coaching record". We shouldn't list a bowl game on his head coaching record when he wasn't the head coach for the game. If there are other articles listing an individual as HC for a bowl game then those are wrong as well, as they weren't head coach of the team during said bowl game. Here's an example of a correct record in my opinion, even though Lane Kiffin was USC's coach at the beginning of the 2013 season his "Head Coaching Record" section doesn't list the complete USC season record or their bowl game, because he wasn't the head coach for any of the remaining regular season games or the bowl game. Should Barry Alvarez have the entire 2012 Badgers season on his head coaching record? No, because he wasn't the head coach during the regular season games, just the bowl game, like his head coaching record indicates. —  dainomite   23:25, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dainomite: That's not what the record indicates. The record indicates that the team, under his supervision, qualified for that bowl game. That's all it means. That's what it means on other articles. That's why there's the note which says "Did not coach bowl game". The USC team didn't qualify for a bowl game while Lane Kiffin was head coach, hence it's not listed. At the time Gary Andersen ceased being the head coach at Wisconsin the team was 10–3, had won the Big Ten West, and had qualified for the Outback Bowl. At the time Lane Kiffin was fired at USC the team was 3–2 and hadn't qualified for any postseason play. There's no inconsistency here. If you'd like to change this practice then by all means start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football, but this article shouldn't be the only which does things differently. Mackensen (talk) 23:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@Mackensen: Resources for CFB head coach statistics don't show bowl games for individuals if they weren't the head coaches for the game. Here's Bret Bielema as an example.  dainomite   23:39, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dainomite: All well and good. That doesn't address the point I made. Mackensen (talk) 23:44, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@Mackensen: So by your definition why does Barry Alvarez have the 2013 Rose Bowl and soon to be 2015 Outback Bowl on his head coaching record? The team didn't qualify for the bowl game under his supervision. —  dainomite   23:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dainomite: It's not my definition; it's the convention used on Wikipedia. I think one justification would be that the team won, or lost, the 2015 Outback Bowl under Alvarez. Mackensen (talk) 23:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
@Mackensen: I get what you're saying, I just don't agree with you on showing a Bowl Game on a head coaching record when the head coach didn't coach it. I fully understand that the team's season record doesn't display the overall team record at the end of the season, but why be correct there and be incorrect (imo) under the bowl games. If you don't mind I made a note on WT:CFB (link) so hopefully some folks stop by and help us reach a conclusion. We both think we are right and I think getting more opinions here would only help the discussion at this point. —  dainomite   00:05, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dainomite: Thanks for doing that, I think that's a helpful step. Mackensen (talk) 00:08, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
@Mackensen: No worries, hopefully it brings some different perspectives and opinions to the table. Certainly better than just us going back and forth saying the same thing to each other over and over. Face-smile.svg  dainomite   00:15, 12 December 2014 (UTC)