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Battle of Gaza (2007)[edit]

The Battle of Gaza (2007) should be mentioned in the lead. Zeq (talk) 05:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Done. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 05:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Needed: 2005 Israel-Gaza conflict article[edit]

There is a need for an article about 2005 Israel-Gaza conflict. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 07:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:OR, no such event exists per WP:RS.Greyshark09 (talk) 19:46, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand how there can be a conclusion that an article on "2005 Israel-Gaza conflict" should not be created based on a subjective presumption that Original Research (?) would be involved, and on the reasoning that "no such event exists per WP:RS". What do Reliable Sources have to do with the existence or not of a 2005 timeline, and in particular, how do they negate such a creation? Erictheenquirer (talk) 14:44, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Frustrated?[edit]

"The Gaza Strip has been separated from Israel by the Israeli Gaza Strip barrier since 1996, which frustrated infiltration into Israel." I think "frustrated" has a connotation that Israel is "getting in the way." Better might be "...which has helped reduce infiltration..." -Keyed In (talk) 18:06, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Qassam attacks[edit]

The incomplete section on Qassam attacks should be referred to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qassam_rocket_attacks,_2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.212.66.174 (talk) 22:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, why do we have a sub section in each year about Qassam attacks? that's just not-neutral. There are Israeli offenses going on as well from the other side. Imad marie (talk) 17:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Gaza–Israel-Egypt conflict[edit]

This title is more accurate than the current one since Egypt also blockaded Gaza. SteveSims (talk) 00:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

2004 Israel-Gaza conflict[edit]

The first paragraph text:

The 2004 Israel-Gaza conflict refers to the series of battles between Palestinian militants and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). Several qassam rocket attacks on Israel (Sderot and the Negev) forced the IDF to retaliate with airstrikes and land incursions into Gaza...

ascribes cause and effect (x forced y to do z) with a selective sampling and interpretation of circumstances and events. To fix this suggest either:

The 2004 Israel-Gaza conflict refers to the series of battles between Palestinian militants and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). Palestinian fighters launched Qassam rocket attacks on Israel and the IDF launched airstrikes and land incursions against Gaza..."

otherwise why not:

The 2004 Israel-Gaza conflict refers to the series of battles between Palestinian militants and the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). Expulsions and land disputes forced an Israeli military occupation of Gaza which forced Palestinians to resort to suicide bombings in Israel which forced Israel to respond by imposing a blockade on Gaza which forced Palestinians to retaliate by firing Qassam rockets into Israel which forced the IDF to retaliate with airstrikes and land incursions into Gaza...

~ Actually this last text only goes back a decade or so but maybe the point is made? I support the first fix. RomaC (talk) 08:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

2011 Clashes[edit]

A new section describing the rescent clashes in Gaza should be added . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dms77 (talkcontribs) 22:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Done, though due to be expanded.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Merger[edit]

Apparently there are several forked articles which mirror parts of the Israel-Gaza conflict, and not describing any specific events (operations, terrorist acts, infiltrations etc.). Those should be merged into this article. The articles, nominated to be merged are the 2007–2008 Israel–Gaza conflict, Timeline of the 2007–2008 Israel–Gaza conflict. Please vote on this issue.Greyshark09 (talk) 22:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Relisted.Greyshark09 (talk) 22:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Relisted.Greyshark09 (talk) 07:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Merger 2007–2008 Israel–Gaza conflict[edit]

Seems only you and i are into this, what is your position? should 2007-2008 article remain? are there any sources on this period as a unique operation or phase of the Gaza-Israel conflict or is it just another timeline which happened to become an article?Greyshark09 (talk) 13:32, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
The question is, what specifically would you move over there from here, or or is this just about deleting the content of this article? Is too much stuff going down the memory hole? CarolMooreDC🗽 10:15, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
The problem with this "2007-08 conflict" article is that it pictures three separate events of the Gaza-Israel conflict (2008 breach of the Gaza–Egypt border, Operation Hot Winter and the 2008 Israel-Hamas ceasefire), as if they were some kind of one conflict/operation. It seems to me this article is a fringe "survivor" from the period when it was popular to create articles for each year of conflict. Evidently, somebody decided to change the name of this article from original "2006 Gaza-Israel conflict" [2] to "2007 Gaza-Israel conflict" [3], and eventually add 2008 events, including the Gaza War to make it "2007-08 Gaza-Israel conflict". It seems now like a completely useless collection of data on the Gaza-Israel conflict, with articles already existing on notable events through this period (2008 breach of the Gaza–Egypt border, Operation Hot Winter, 2008 Israel-Hamas ceasefire). Since this article is a summary of several events on Gaza-Israel conflict, it should be a redirect and extra material merged if relevant.Greyshark09 (talk) 11:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, at least give anyone interested a chance to think about it or make sure they notice if they come by here after the merger and want to go looking for anything important; thus created subsection to this merge to draw newbie eyes to it. I might even want to do it myself someday in some spare moment :-) CarolMooreDC🗽 16:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
No one is interested apparently...Greyshark09 (talk) 21:30, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Since no one is interested after all this time in opposing the merge, go ahead and do it. From the comments I've read on this talk page, you'd be doing Wikipedia a service, IMO. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 19:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg DoneGreyshark09 (talk) 18:58, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

POV edit[edit]

Regarding to User:EditorInChiefSD edit [4]. He has replaced well sourced material, with un-sourced material and inconsistent with WP:NPOV. --Mor2 (talk) 10:54, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Gaza–Israel conflict[edit]

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Reference named "haaretz1":

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I love bots that apologize ahead of time. --Malerooster (talk) 01:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

NPOV dispute-2012 Events[edit]

Trying to "control" info written regarding Israel's illegal actions is in itself bias and not promotion of peace, as writers of such content want the public to believe.

Content in the majority of Wiki's info is missing the vital information that Palestinians and other Arabs want a peaceful resolution. The content is also missing the vital info regarding Arab spring, who are asking for democracy and to live in peace.


Hateful content against the Palestinians is such:

  • pointing to info that is outdated, while new info regarding peaceful content is not given
  • pointing to info regarding the rare occurrences of suicide bombings, while blatantly dismissing info that the MAJORITY of Palestinians are participating in peaceful protests, along with their supporters.
  • pointing to books and hateful speeches regarding anti-Semite is a promotion of hate toward Palestinians. These rare speeches are not what the majority of Palestinians and Arabs believe in.
  • Also, info regarding Israeli individuals that are refusing to serve in the Israeli military due to its violent behavior toward Palestinians is also missing.



Pro-Israeli individuals and organizations that are stating in public they want peace with their neighbors, yet are writing content against Palestinians is the promotion of hate and violence. They are also agreeing with the MASS KILLINGS of Palestinians. Please note that this is hatred and violent behavior. The mass population is now seeing this and will not tolerate it.



— Preceding unsigned comment added by EditorInChiefSD (talkcontribs) 19:18, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


The whole section concerning the latest operation is biased.

(I've done some changes but I think this section needs serious editing + there are no references)

1. It does not mention any Israeli casualties only Palestinian casualties

2. rockets where fired at Jerusalem as well

3. and these sentences sound POV:

  • " As is typical of Israeli attacks on the Palestinians"
  • "Israel addressed the nation stating it was using "targeted" and "precision" air strikes, however, the majority of buildings hit were residential and some were media buildings."
  • "The growing support for the Palestinians has been surprising to some Americans due to the lack of them seeing Palestinians' struggles in American media. Palestinians have received an unprecedented support from European and other countries due to seeing their hardships and living conditions while they are occupied by Israel."
  • " Israel's government decided to resort to a forceful military response. "
  • " As is typical of Israeli attacks on the Palestinians" K260260 (talk) 19:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Somebody's got to clean it up. Cutting and pasting short version of lead of Operation Pillar of Defense (current name) with references might be best thing to do. Maybe leave a note on that article asking someone to do it. I'll do it at my leisure but busy right now. CarolMooreDC 18:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
I agree, but didn't want change anything in the article before bringing it up here... K260260 (talk) 19:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I think that all events since 2010 in this article could use some work, most of them are just copy paste from the lead of articles that deal with each event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mor2 (talkcontribs) 22:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC) >>There is a lot of POVs on this page, which makes editors look bad. Further, there is outdated info that needs to be updated! Is there a reason why some of the info included by past editors, which was correct, was removed. Is there a reason for the one sided content. this is supposed to be factual info, yet I see many POVs. Wiki is loosing its weight as a reliable source!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

  • why was information about the Israeli casualties deleted (it was factually correct and with reference) and we are back to one sided information?

Orphaned references in Gaza–Israel conflict[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Gaza–Israel conflict's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "netherlands":

Reference named "uk":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 02:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Redirect Timeline of the Israel–Gaza conflict here?[edit]

Timeline of the Israel–Gaza conflict really is 90% a timeline of casualities. So I've put the below on the article's talk page and Israel-Palestine Collaboration Wikiproject; but gotten no response. Since this is the most relevant article and there is some activity, here's what I'm proposing. Tell me if there are any big problems before I proceed.

...probably the best thing is to create an article called Israel–Gaza conflict casualties 2006-2008 and move this content and talk page there, and then redirect Timeline of the Israel–Gaza conflict to Gaza-Israel_conflict#Timeline. Any objections, do tell soon.

Thoughts? CarolMooreDC 17:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Done, fyi. CarolMooreDC 05:29, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Under "Ascendancy of Hamas"[edit]

"At the same time, Palestinian armed groups in Gaza continued firing rockets into Israel, killing several Israeli civilians ..." -- which period of time does this sentence refer to? Shouldn't it also state that at the same time Israeli attacks killed dozens of Palestinian militants and civilians every month?--84.108.212.141 (talk) 21:10, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Enumerating Israeli casualties and infrastructure damage while deleting Palestinian casualties and infrastructure damage[edit]

Seems to be a clear violation of the encyclopedias' WP:NPOV policy. I would be interested to see an explanation from the editors involved. Dlv999 (talk) 15:50, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

>>I agree with Dvl999 comment. This is clearly a one sided article and not to mention I have seen SEVERAL one sided (pro-Israel) articles on this so called "encyclopedia" site. Not to mention wikipedia's editors, staff and owners are well aware of this racist writings against Palestinians on this site, and considering they are not doing anything about it, one would say they are in agreement, especially that it keeps happening.

I would not break a sweat over this type of one-sided site though (pro-Israel and pro-occupation and pro-mass killing of Palestinians). No wikipedia or similar racist site is winning such battle. The truth about Israel's repeated attacks on Palestinians - innocent men, women and children - is being recorded elsewhere on social media and human rights organizations.

Anyone reading this should only feel sorry for this site, as history proves racism never wins! Peace... 98.176.116.160 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:41, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Minor events[edit]

@SimplesC: I revert you revert, because it interrupted a merger procedure, also including restructuring of this article and removal of minor timeline events. Specifically, if you desire to put every tiny incident you can do it in the Timeline of Israeli-Palestinian conflict article and its subarticles. Cheers.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:14, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Gaza–Israel conflict[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Gaza–Israel conflict's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "rockmort":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 16:57, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Political manipulation of information[edit]

In the beginning of the article, it had been written that:

" This conflict is seen by many humanitarian organizations and world's peace activists as "Israel’s Genocidal War on Palestine"[1]. "

I added the following sentence and references after this:

" The latter proclamation of 'Genocide' is not supported by the number of casualties in he conflict (numbering few thousands over several years), and is also controversial due to Hamas' wide-spread use of civilians as human shields[2][3][4][5][6], which had been a major contributing factor to the number of innocents killed in the conflict. "

Within two hours, my addition was deleted without proper justification or addressing the solid sources I have brought forth. The user who reverted my addition wrote that: "human shielding was a very strong accusation", ignoring the content of the five sources and the fact that "genocide" is also a very strong accusation! I protest at this politically inclined silencing and deletion of content. I believe my edit should be restored.

Jonathan.bluestein (talk) 00:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

2006[edit]

Together with 2008, 2012 and 2014, this year was critical in the complex interplay between Gaza in general, Fatah, Hamas and Israel. But the sub-section contains no discernable timeline; instead it is currently made up of salami slices for which no through-going (if existent) interconnection and contextual relation is displayed. There is no identification of a particular period of conflict, and no chain-of-events data to evaluate that as a whole.

Given the above, as a relative newcomer I post a pair of questions: Is it worthwhile to rewrite this sub-article, or does "Israel-Gaza Conflict - the 2006 timeline" deserve an article on its own so as to manage "length"? Erictheenquirer (talk) 14:53, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Analysis of David Norris[edit]

Here is the analysis of David Norris about the conflict, as expressed in a speech at the Senate of Ireland: Video on YouTube. Maybe this could be used a a source for the reactions in other countries?

Sedarr oup gr (talk) 19:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC).

Yes Dennis Norris should be mentioned in there. One of the very few (nigh zero) politicians who called a spade what it is. Also, let us take care that Obama does appear correctly, if at all, in this article. -DePiep (talk) 23:25, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Lead critique[edit]

Parts of the Lead contain unsupported attributes such as 'some', 'decreased', 'not fully' and 'not completely', together with text unsupported by the citation such as 'Hamas hoped' and 'Israel hoped'. It does not mention the ceasefire obligations. It needs to contain hard data in support. I am suggesting that the sub-section "2008 Hamas-Israeli ceasefire" from Gaza–Israel conflict is far more informative and better supported, and should therefore be substituted here. Erictheenquirer (talk) 11:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree. The current lede is sub-standard. -DePiep (talk) 11:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
It's worse. The whole concept of this article is a POV. -DePiep (talk) 23:43, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Arbitrary part of Israel-Palestine history, arbitrary part of Gaza Strip history, suggestion this history only started after ~2006 arbitrary. And given the notes by Erictheenquirer above (bad lede, incorrect lede): why not AfD? -DePiep (talk) 23:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)