Talk:Gdeim Izik protest camp

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Unbalanced template added[edit]

I added this template (to the current version [1] @ 20-03-2011/00:43GMT) since the main contributor uses a "one side opinion" references, including some showing clear PoV: MAP for the pro-Moroccan side, and many others for the pro-Polisario side (Rasistencia Saharaui, SPS, Afrol...)

The problem is that this user keeps the "PoV words", used by the authors of the sources' articles, while redacting this WP article.

Otherwise, the introduction shows clear PoV and unbalanced content since it shows a minority opinion among specialists and cites "activists" (how can they be neutral) as sources of information.

Omar-Toons (talk) 23:43, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

You are showing your double-standarts very clearly, erasing some info on some sections while you dont do the same in the other sections. You clain NPOV seriously?. Apply it. I had no problem on adding more sources to the article, but you can see that I tried to take english language sources when I can. What I do not accept is deletion of some sources or manipulation or others. And about the tag, you want to put here what you want to avoid in other articles?--HCPUNXKID (talk) 18:36, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Requested move (→ 2010-2011 Sahrawi protests)[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:05, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

2010 Sahrawi protests2010-2011 Sahrawi protests – The Sahrawi protests, as the cases on other countries, are, although with peaks, a continued series of protests, so splitting them is no sense, as no reasonable argument or expert opinion supports it. Also, I think its important avoiding the creation of double-standarts. 2010-2011 Sahrawi protests was the original name of the article, and as I said, I cannot see reasons to do that unjustified split. Regards.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Disagree - I'm kind of tired of arguing this with you considering you outright refuse to address my points even when I respond to yours. No other recent protests for which there is a single article (including Yemen, which you bizarrely have cited numerous times even though it's a nonsensical example) demonstrate the lengthy break between major demonstrations seen here. As far as I can tell (and admittedly, the paucity of reliable sources reporting from Western Sahara makes all of this difficult, which doesn't help with tensions here) the protests here ended with the dismantling of the Gdeim Izik camp. The protests that began the next year in Dakhla and are apparently ongoing in El Aaiun and elsewhere started off in response to something else (violence against Sahrawis in Dakhla) and spread not just because of Gdeim Izik, but because of a lot of ongoing conditions. They're related events, but these protests haven't been ongoing since October - come on. No source says that. None. You haven't presented a single one that says the Dakhla clashes or the El Aaiun sit-ins are a continuation of the Gdeim Izik protest camp dismantled in early November. So, I do oppose this move back, and in fact I think this page should be moved to 2010 Gdeim Izik protests or Gdeim Izik protest camp because no WP:RS linked on this page or visible from my Google searching elsewhere indicates that significant and sustained demonstrations occurred elsewhere in Western Sahara concurrently or as part of the same protest campaign. Gdeim Izik has become rightly synonymous with these demonstrations, and I think it would be best for the page title to reflect that. -Kudzu1 (talk) 10:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
This is very sad, but you're accusing me of refusing your argumentation, when you had been the one acting without discussing, without consensus, and without sources. You are basing the spliting of the article in your personal opinion & valoration, nothing more, nothing less. As I repeated a million times (and you seem to ignore) is the lack of a single source stating clearly that the Dakhla events were a different thing that the precedent months events. Not a single one. When I saw one, I would consider it. Unless that, it is simply personal opinions and POV'S. Cheers.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 18:05, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Let's try this tack. You haven't presented a single source that says they are part of the same string of events, and I think common sense dictates that with close to a four-month gap between the end of the Gdeim Izik protest camp outside El Aaiun and the start of protests in Dakhla (and longer before protests spread to El Aaiun in March 2011), the burden of proof is on you to present WP:RS indicating that it's all the same campaign and these protests have really been ongoing in Western Sahara since early October 2010. You've got it backwards. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Move to Gdeim Izik protest camp?[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:56, 30 July 2011 (UTC)



2010 Sahrawi protestsGdeim Izik protest camp – I suggest that this page, rather than implying protests were widespread throughout the Sahrawi population or throughout the Western Sahara, should be moved to a new title for the sake of specificity. The page concerns the Gdeim Izik protest camp, and it should be entitled as such. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.