Talk:Geert Wilders

External links

After removing a dubious external link earlier today I started looking at the remainder and I am troubled by some of them. The last three links on the list are, in my opinion, not suitable for a neutral encyclopaedic article. They all seem to me to be in contravenetion of What to link and should be removed.--Kalsermar (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

In the news

How about the end of the Geert Wilders trial for the "In the News" section of the main page? Polozooza (talk) 10:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

It is there now. --Kslotte (talk) 09:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

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Indo

I think it is wrong and potentially confusing to our readers to put the moniker "Indo" in the opening sentence. His heritage is mentioned more than once in the article but Geert Wilders is known as a Dutch politician, not Indo-Dutch. It would be akin to identifying JFK, Ronald Reagan or Tip O'Neill for example as Irish-American and not simply as American.--Kalsermar (talk) 18:29, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I noticed someone who wrote down "Indonesian-Dutch", which is incorrect. Indo is the corrept term - someone of Eurasian (European-Asian) admixture, more specific, in this case: Dutch-Indonesian descent. So I changed Indonesian-Dutch in Indo-Dutch, which is correct. Wilders' mother was of Indo(nesian) descent. I see no harm in keeping it this way. Polozooza (talk) 19:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

I didn't say it was incorrect, merely that it is out of place in the opening sentence. His heritage is amply discussed in the article.--Kalsermar (talk) 21:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

His mother was born in the Dutch East Indies (according to this article), which makes him a second-generation resident of the Netherlands. I find that it is appropriate to refer to him as Indo-Dutch, just as it is appropriate to refer to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, for a related example, as Somali-Dutch. People such as Ronald Reagan et al are of Irish ancestry, but the difference is that they were not second-generation residents. Interlaker (talk) 23:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Hirsi Al is not a very smart example to bring on here, she was born in Somalia from Somalian parents. But then Wilders: his Indo background is not a widely acknowledged fact, as we can gather from the NRC article that is used as a reference: "In June a genealogist said he had found several Indonesian ancestors of the populist Dutch politician", "The 6-page article reveals that Wilders' grandmother, Johanna Ording-Meijer, came from an old Jewish-Indonesian family". But even if supported by more sources than that one genealogist, first, we're talking about a far background here and second, I think Kalsermar rightly says it's out of place in the opening line, where we don't read words like 'agnostic', 'ex-Catholic', 'controversial', either. Only the very basic facts belong there. Apdency (talk) 19:32, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

There is no way that should be in the opening of the lede like that - I have doubts if it is more than the opinion of one person and doesn't belong in the article at all. We neveer (or at least almost never - unless it is highly notable) put ethnicity in the lede like that - its as per WP:mos nationality, this is even more so when it is disputed or partial as is the case here. Off2riorob (talk) 19:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC) Off2riorob (talk) 19:38, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

You got it completely right: we're dealing with someone's personal opinion here: "I want Wilders to be an Indo". If anyone dares to go against that, he labels it as vandalism, as we can see here. Wilders in no way belongs in a gallery of 'notable Indos'. Apdency (talk) 17:39, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

@Interlaker|talk]]) 23:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC) There is a big difference between his mother and Hirsi Ali. His mother was a Dutch citizen. Indo Dutch were Eurasians with the Dutch nationality and European status(Generally speaking)and not an Indonesian living in the Netherlands. In the Dutch Indies they were called Indo Europeans.

Wilders is of Indo(Indo European) or Eurasian decent through his mothers side. His grandmother was an Eurasian, also her parents,etc. Noordin28 (talk) 19:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

"Frits Bolkestein's views on Geert Wilders" section

It is very unusual to have a section completely dedicated to someone else's opinions on the subject of a biography. Should there be a separate section for every notable person's opinions of Geert Wilders? I do not think you will see this in any other biography in Wikipedia. Surely, this information should be integrated into the Public reception section. NereusAJ (talk) 02:39, 26 December 2011 (UTC) I decided to be bold and move the information myself. If any of the original authors disagree feel free to undo my change. NereusAJ (talk) 05:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

The Public reception subsection is under the Early life and career section, but most of the information in it cannot be considered to be part of his early life. In fact a lot of the reactions mentioned are to his political career, which is a different section. I am suggesting we make the Public reception subsection into a separate section. I am editing the article to reflect this. NereusAJ (talk) 05:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)