Talk:Genesis flood narrative

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Npov[edit]

This article is pro standard geology, anti-creationist, not neutral.182.249.247.2 (talk) 07:47, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

What portion of the policy at WP:NPOV is being violated? VQuakr (talk) 07:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Please can you explain what you mean by "standard geology"? Theroadislong (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Very happy to see that this page is neutrally reporting what the experts say about geology and the history of the world, instead of giving equal treatment to parochial opinions. "Neutral" means "on the side of the experts." If you're against the experts, like the creationists are, then you're opinionated, not neutral. Leadwind (talk) 01:38, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Important but expensive source[edit]

The Primeval Flood Catastrophe Origins and Early Development in Mesopotamian Traditions Y. S. Chen Oxford Oriental Monographs 352 pages | 16 black-and-white plates | 234x156mm 978-0-19-967620-0 | Hardback | 12 December 2013 [1] Discusses all major aspects of Mesopotamian Flood traditions in depth

Offers a systematic treatment of the historical development of the Flood traditions, and makes important new observations on the origins and development of the traditions

Provides analysis based on an extensive and systematic documentation and analysis of Sumerian and Babylonian flood terms in their literary contexts

Unravels the complex historical relationship between the Flood traditions and major literary and historiographical traditions in Mesopotamia

Sheds new light on our understanding of each individual source (e.g., the Babylonian Gilgamesh epic) involved

Explores the socio-political circumstances in which the Flood traditions emerged and evolved

Dougweller (talk) 12:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Move to Genesis flood myth[edit]

This page is acknowledged to be a flood myth. As it is not different than any other flood myth on Wikipedia, we should move this page to Genesis flood myth.

jps (talk) 12:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Agree - - MrBill3 (talk) 20:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

  • Agree - Or at the very least, rename to "Abrahamic flood myth" and include material from the Book of Enoch, midrashim, the Quran, and other sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME (1,070 Google Books hits to 10) and also oppose Ian Thomson's suggestion of changing the scope of the article to include other, conflicting, narratives. -- 101.117.56.15 (talk) 23:27, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
So oppose including more knowledge out of some idea that one narrative is some sort of scientific truth and the others aren't worth studying? Ian.thomson (talk) 00:12, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Like in Noah in Islam and all the bluelinked entries here: List of flood myths?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 13:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
How would that not be suggesting that Genesis's version of the extremely common flood myth is a known historical fact and the only authentic version? Ian.thomson (talk) 13:36, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you that it shouldn't be called that, but really, it wouldn't suggest that it's a known historical fact. Zondervan's dictionary can call it that because it's a bible dictionary, so all the entries are assumed by default to be in the bible. We're not a bible dictionary, so we don't have that luxury. But there's nothing about the words that suggest fact. We could (although I'm not suggesting this as the current title is better) call it "The flood in the Bible" without making any assertions of existence. That would be parallel to Zondervan for Wikipedia. Cf. Unicorn, rather than Unicorn (mythological animal).— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 13:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Opppose The article is about the narrative. See arguments ad infinitum in various locations.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 13:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Opppose I'd be okay with Flood of Noah, but I think the current title is best.

How about Genesis flood myth narrative? That will cover all elements fairly and clearly? Wdford (talk) 08:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

If you want to cover everything, it'd have to be Genesis flood myth story/narrative in Genesis. - Lisa (talk - contribs) 15:09, 30 April 2014 (UTC)