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Article name[edit]

This article began life as "Gentlemen's Clubs" because that is what the clubs to which I belong call such clubs and because that is how Anthony Lejeune styles them. Similarly, private clubs exclusively for women (such as the New Cavendish Club) call themselves "Ladies' Clubs". --Theo (Talk) 19:17, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Just for awareness: googling gentlemen's.club site:uk finds 4300 articles, while gentleman's.club site:uk finds 4400. I believe and agree that the first spelling is the traditional one, but it's devolved over time. Globally, men's beats man's 73K to 43K. --Dhartung | Talk 23:16, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I performed the same analysis before selecting the name (including varied apostrophe placements) and found a similarly even split but I did not analyse how many of the hits pertained to what were originally called 'gentlemen's clubs'. Google can be a bit of a blunt instrument for this kind of analysis. --Theo (Talk) 23:27, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

English Gentlemen's Clubs, description of[edit]

I'm not sure it's correct for the disambiguation entry pointing to the UK variant to call these "Country Clubs". I say this because most of them are in cities, in fact usually London, and so they don't offer facilities which are usual for US Country Clubs (e.g. golf and so forth). --JamesYoungman (Talk) 21:30, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

How should we describe them, then? Max Spades 21:49, 28 August 2005
The current text is OK (has it been changed?). Otherwise, they could be described as "social and dining clubs for affluent or aristocratic men (and, sometimes, women)" --JamesYoungman (Talk) 23:36, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I have refined the description although I feel that it still implies that these are an English phenomenon. Many clubs of this kind now admit women and most now are outside the UK. Consider the University Club in Philadelphia, The Harvard Club in Boston and New York and many others around the world. —Theo (Talk) 16:13, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Even in the US Midwest there existed what I will call city clubs very similar to the English Gentlemen's Clubs. In Saint Paul The Minnesota club and in Minneapolis the Minneapolis Club (still exists) have operated since the turn of the 20th century. I believe the term Country Club may have been an American invention, to distinguish it from the city clubs that one belonged to. In England, I do not believe Golf Clubs were traditionally called Country Clubs as they are in the US. Are there any Country Clubs in England that do not provide golf and if so are more properly called golf clubs, many of which do not own a golf course but simply are an organization of players, which is the case even in the home of golf, St. Andrews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrluckey (talkcontribs) 19:38, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Qualifications for membership of the Travellers' Club[edit]

Rule 6 of the club constitution, written in about 1814, states "That no person be considered eligible to the Travellers' Club, who shall not have travelled out of the British islands to a distance of at least 500 miles from London in a direct line." This quotation is given here [1]. An important point is the formation of the phrase British islands. Note that the word "island" is not capitalised and therefore in effect means "the islands of, or belonging to, the British". At the time the constitution was written Ireland was a British island, so the meaning is clear and the British islands in this context translate directly to the British Isles, meaning any island of the group, including the Isle of Man and such like. We need a piped link to British Isles from this term to clarify the original meaning. A link to British Islands is inappropriate; wrong in fact. This latter term originated in 1889 and now has a very specific meaning that excludes Ireland. Consequently a link to the Wikipedia article on the British Islands is erroneous. A link the British Isles, on the other hand, clarifies the meaning of the rule, precisely. The original author of the Travellers Club article got is slightly wrong when he capitalised "island". See the original article here [2]. CarterBar (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Have you references for this? Otherwise, it's really just Original Research. The quote says British Islands. There's nothing to suggest that this means British Isles.... It is just as easy to say that the original author meant Great Britain... In the absense of a reference, there is no basis for piping to British Isles. --Bardcom (talk) 23:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Not OR, just common sense. It obviously didn't mean British Islands, so what else could British islands (plural) mean? The author didn't say Great Britain, he said British islands (see the reference), which at that time included Ireland and all the others owned by Britain, but I've explained all this already. Anyway, the term clearly needs clarification, hence the link to British Isles. Alternatively we could have a footnote for the term, explaining the possible meanings - how about that? In the meantime I've reverted, just so that someone doesn't think the quote meant British Islands. CarterBar (talk) 10:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi Bardcom, yo've now got it redirecting to British Islands, which I'm sure you agree is wrong. So I'm going to write a footnote as suggested above, to explain the possible meaning of the term as far as the historical period is concerned. CarterBar (talk) 12:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

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Swiss Gentlemen´s Club[edit]

I have find a good swiss gentlemens club. You can visit it here: Gensclub. Here you can see, it is not only for men. It can be also for woman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OpelAstraJC (talkcontribs) 09:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Catholic bishops[edit]

Critics of the Catholic hierarchy often claim that bishops' conferences are built to resemble a gentlemen's club, because of their inherent patriarchal character which resembles the power structure of ancient Greco-Roman civlizations. For instance, Jesuit author Thomas J. Reese makes the claim in his 1992 book A flock of shepherds. This could perhaps be included in the article, along with apppropriate sources of course. [3] ADM (talk) 08:01, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Freemasonry[edit]

I fail to see the relevence of Freemasonry in the related links. Gentleman's clubs have no specific links with Freemasonry, nor is Freemasonry mentioned anywhere in the article. I propose removing this, unless anyone has any particular reason for keeping it? --87.86.242.99 (talk) 17:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hm, your objection is well-justified, although there is a link between the two that makes some intuitive sense... the difficulty, though, is how to articulate it. Certainly a great deal of what freemasonry involves has nothing whatsoever to do with these clubs, and vice-versa. Yet both are social, members-only establishments that take some care as to whom they admit as members. Well, I take your point that this may not be sufficient to include a random reference to freemasonry on this article, but at the same time I would be interested to read a bit more on the subject of the similarities and differences of private clubs vs. masonic lodges. --163.1.150.29 (talk) 01:23, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Brothel's[edit]

The majority of "gentlemen's clubs" in New Zealand seem to be brothel's, to judge from google. How widely is the term being misapplied elsewhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.98.175.68 (talk) 00:56, 19 April 2014 (UTC)