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Terming Capt. James A. Symonds's presentation of a flag to Nancy Reagan at her husband's funeral a "genuflection" is preposterous. It wasn't. It would have been rude to stand over her. Naval captains do not genuflect in the line of duty. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
My thoughts exactly! That is no more a genuflection than when I kneel on one knee to tie the shoe on my other foot. I'd remove the photo, but I've no idea what effect doing so would have on the composition of the page - hopefully, someone more expert in that area will do so. Irish Melkite (talk) 10:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, if genuflecting is bending at least one knee to the ground, that seems to be what he is doinng. Do you have some other definition that you can put in the article so as to justify removing the photograph? Esoglou (talk) 19:38, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
Take a look at the context of the article - there are 3 sections: genuflecting to a bishop; genuflection to the blessed sacrament; and other genuflections in the liturgy. That pretty much puts a stamp of religious use to the term, absent the throw-away line in the lead to genuflecting when proposing marriage, following the historical acknowledgement of genuflecting to royalty. If that doesn't make the picture a bit of a non sequitor, I don't know what does. Irish Melkite (talk) 07:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC).
Indeed yes, the third section shows that genuflection does not have to be genuflection to anyone or anything. Take the genuflection after the phrase "Domine, ne memineris iniquitatum nostrarum antiquarum: cito anticipent nos misericordiae tuae, quia pauperes facti sumus nimis" in the Lenten tracts, or the genuflection (not mentioned in the article) after the invitation "Flectamus genua", a "momentary" genuflection followed immediately by "Levate". While the abundant material on liturgical rules makes it easy to write about religious uses of genuflection, these are not the only uses. And genuflections to someone, for instance to a Byzantine emperior or to some other monarch, are not the only genuflections. The photograph does not claim to show a genuflection to Nancy Reagan, but only a genuflection while presenting a flag to her. If you want to change things, you must change not only the definition of genuflection in the article, but also the article's title, so as to specify that it excludes any genuflection that is not a genuflection to. And you will have to prune the third section. Esoglou (talk) 10:16, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
I'd never thought until recently, but the only place I've ever heard this word is in the movie Aladdin and in Tom Lehrer's song The Vatican Rag. Not sure that should be in the article, but I guess it can live here on the discussion page :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcrick (talk • contribs) 20:41, 6 April 2010 (UTC)