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- 1 Automate archiving?
- 2 Please add
- 3 Misuse of sources
- 4 Decline of geography in the U.S. academia
- 5 External Links impossible to add/bring back
- 6 Geography Institutions
- 7 Related
- 8 Edit request on 11 June 2012
- 9 inclusive language and human-environment geography
- 10 Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2013
Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days.--Oneiros (talk) 18:27, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
I can't figure out how to edit this page, but please add the AAG (Association of American Geographers) under the heading Geographical institutions and societies. THX —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpost85 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Misuse of sources
A request for comments has been filed concerning the conduct of Jagged 85 (talk · contribs). Jagged 85 is one of the main contributors to Wikipedia (over 67,000 edits, he's ranked 198 in the number of edits), and practically all of his edits have to do with Islamic science, technology and philosophy. This editor has persistently misused sources here over several years. This editor's contributions are always well provided with citations, but examination of these sources often reveals either a blatant misrepresentation of those sources or a selective interpretation, going beyond any reasonable interpretation of the authors' intent. I searched the page history, and found 3 edits by Jagged 85 in July 2008 and one more edit in April 2010. Tobby72 (talk) 20:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up.
- I've had a look at those edits. Apart from a potential bias resulting from the distribution of volume of content (The Islamic part of the history section is 3-10 times as long as any other), there's nothing particularly dubious about either the references nor their use (though I don't know about the reliability of the IslamiCity.com website).
- The Medieval Ismalic section in the main article: History_of_geography#Medieval_Islamic_world is tagged as unbalanced, but no discussion as to why.
- To be honest, this page, and to an extent the main history of geog. article are in dire need of a bit of attention and TLC. Over-zealous but largely accurate editing is the least of worries.--Cooper-42 (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Decline of geography in the U.S. academia
Shouldn't this article say something about the ongoing decline of geography as a discipline within U.S. academia? Yes, the U.S. is not the whole world, but as far as contribution to global academic output, it is a giant; surely what happens in the U.S. academia has broader impact.
There is an interesting-looking article in the Japanese Journal of American Studies, “Another Closing Frontier?: Observations on Geography in American Academe,” with statements such as
- a recent president of the Association of American Geographers (AAG) has noted “the possibility of having the discipline die a natural death,” mainly because of disciplinary inertia.
And a bit later:
- The perception of crisis extends more significantly into the quality and constitution of the discipline, almost exclusively in academic contexts. These run through a spectrum of problems that include disharmony between the physical and human subdivisions, esoteric specialization, disdain for teaching, inappropriate training, practical irrelevance, and even bad attitudes.
The following seems like a useful reference on the topic: Geography: discipline, profession, and subject since 1870.
For a flavor of how the profession seems to feel about its state, it is informative to read “Citation for Harm J. de Blij, Ph.D. 2006 Recipient of the George J. Miller Award for Distinguished Service to Geographic Education”. It begins as follows:
- Being a geographer in the United States during the past several decades has inevitably meant taking on a cause. That cause is a product of the systematic marginalization of the discipline in K-12 education, the closing of geography departments at some of the nation's leading universities, and the neglect of the discipline at many of America's liberal arts colleges-and even some of its prominent public universities. The social implications of these educational failings serve as the principal rallying points for the cause: an American population largely ignorant of the nature and significance of differences from place to place.
On the other hand, this supposed "decline" does not account for two important new developments: the development of satellite-imagery and GIS software has significantly increased the application of geography to non-academic work (e.g. military use, industrial logistics, ecological restoration, etc), and the current of Political Ecology that developed among many geographers has significantly increased interdisciplinary activities of geographers. Consequently, several geographers (even those with only BS or MA degrees) are being increasingly hired outside of academia, and several geographers (particularly those with PhDs who work in Political Ecology broadly conceived) are being hired in non-geography departments at several universities.
Moreover, as the presidential address made during the 2011 AAG Annual Conference highlighted, the revolutionary wave reverberating through the Arab world and other surges of social movements in Europe, the US and elsewhere have expressed themselves in remarkably geographical terms - from the urban-character of Arab uprisings to the occupation of public space by the Indignados and Occupy movements - echoing and strengthening the public exposure and social engagement of many geographers. Indeed, even if geography might perceive itself to be facing a crisis in terms of the "constitution of the discipline" within academia, geography is still one of the best situated fields of social science to analyze and engage critically important events of our age.
Ultimately, this is not the first time and likely won't be the last time that geography as a discipline faces this "crisis". During the first two decades of the 20th century, Harvard shut down its department of geography, triggering very similar concerns to those raised above. Indeed, the discipline went through a transformation, as other prominent universities like the University of California at Berkeley (under the auspices of Carl Sauer) developed the cultural and human aspects of the discipline beyond its previous limitations. The additional concerns over the poor quality of K-12 education and lack of resources dedicated to education are more deeply seated problems with economic austerity and the abandonment of public education, not particularities of geography as a discipline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- There is no decline in academic geography. It is simply returning to its roots as a pure physical/natural science and going through a naming crisis because it now overlaps so much with environmental studies and environmental science. In grade school I hated geography because it was "sociology with maps". We looked at a map then watched a movie about tribal people trading bags of spice. The emergence of environmentalism and geographic information systems (GIS) as the primary applications of geography has resulted in more academic emphasis on meteorology/ecology/oceanography/cartography/computing/etc and (far) less on human cultures. The two schools I attended are excellent examples. At UCLA, the Geography and Environmental Studies majors are merged into a single major. At UC Santa Barbara, the Geographic Information Systems and Physical Geography majors are clearly defined sciences, while the plain Geography major seems to be suffering from a serious identify crisis as a venue for watered down "green sociology" and an excuse to travel. So in a way, Geography is actually emerging from the dark age that fell between the end of the mapping of the new world and the invention of GIS. It's returned to it's technical roots and no longer has to cling to existence as a vague social science. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:20, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
External Links impossible to add/bring back
So I noticed that this page has no external links. I tried to add resources like Geography@About.com but the bot keeps deleting it. There are a wide range of Wikipedia appropriate news sites, educational resources, and even blogs that could be featured here yet we can't add them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catholicgauze (talk • contribs) 15:02, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
- Wikipedia isn't a directory or collection of links. Please read WP:EL. About.com is basically a content aggregator and has many pages which are mirrors of Wikipedia. Links to blogs are discouraged unless they are the authoritative blog written by the subject of an article. The National Geographic site is probably ok, although the landing page is a huge promotion of the site's sponsors. --Versageek 15:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Please add links to the two following institutions (I am on the Executive of both) to assist readers of your geography article to find additional information.
Geographical Society of New South Wales (GSNSW) http://www.gsnsw.org.au/
Institute of Australian Geographers (IAG) https://www.iag.org.au/home/
Edit request on 11 June 2012
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Changes from revision 481175473 should be reverted, as they messed up the "Human geography" box. The wrong layout was tried to be fixed in last revision (at the time of this writing, but it was not enough (note the images for Religion and Demography). The original layout should be brought back.
Cultural geography Development geography Economic geography Religion geography Historical & Time geog. Political geog. & Geopolitics Pop. geog. or Demography Social geography Transportation geography Urban geography
Proposed text (the one from the previous revision to 481175473):
Cultural geography Development geography Economic geography Health geography Historical & Time geog. Political geog. & Geopolitics Pop. geog. or Demography Religion geography Social geography Transportation geography Tourism geography Urban geography
inclusive language and human-environment geography
In the first paragraph, the entry states that one of four historical traditions in geographical research is “the study of the man-land relationship.”
Seriously???? In the 21st century, the central focus and self-understanding of our discipline are still gender exclusive???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In addition, we don’t only study human-land relationships, many of us also study human relationships with water, atmosphere/climate, ocean, etc. These therefore represent a plurality of study areas, not just a singular one.
The wording should therefore be corrected to read “the study of human-environment relationships.”
Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2013
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