Talk:Geography of Wales

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New map[edit]

Thanks for the effort IP, but sorry, I'm not much happier with the new map than I was with the old one. It seems to show principal areas in different tones of grey (but why? - we already have a map showing those areas more clearly), national parks (Snowdonia looks to have very inaccurate boundaries - see this, for example), and some towns, some of which (Holyhead, Rhyl) are wrongly located, and no towns are shown in the Valleys (main centre of population). Also, no topography is shown, and no rivers. The coastline and England boundary are shown more accurately than before, which is good. Thanks, but further work needed I think. I'll copy both maps (old and new) to this page for ease of comparison. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC) PS: There's also a typo in Pembrokeshire.

Map as on page up to Nov 08
New map, 1 Dec 08

"Peninsula"...?[edit]

The opening line says "Wales comprises a peninsula...." Does it? A "peninsula" is somewhere that is (literally) almost an island - it sticks out into the sea. Wales doesn't - it's an irregularly shaped western part of the island, but the north-south distance along the border with England is much greater than its east-west width (except perhaps in the south). This wording is used in other articles as well, but I think it should be improved. If others agree in principle, it should be possible to agree a more suitable wording. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Quite agree. Any suggestion? Daicaregos (talk) 20:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
How about: "Wales comprises a generally hilly area on the western side of central southern Great Britain, between the Irish Sea to the north and the Bristol Channel to the south." Subsequent sentences would need to be changed as well, but how is that for an opener? Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I would prefer mountainous to hilly. Pretty good otherwise. Daicaregos (talk) 21:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Hmm...not sure. It's certainly mountainous in some parts (Snowdonia, Brecon Beacons), but is it generally mountainous? I'd say it was generally hilly, with some mountains and some flatter and lower parts. Anyway: "Wales comprises a generally [hilly/mountainous] area on the western side of central southern Great Britain, between the Irish Sea to the north and the Bristol Channel to the south, together with offshore islands of which the largest is Anglesey. It is a country of the United Kingdom, and borders England to the east. It is about 274 km (170 mi) from north to south and at least 97 km (60 mi) wide, with a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). It has over 1,200 km (746 mi) of coastline." Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
The physical description of Wales in the ONS UK Yearbook 2005 is:

Wales is on the western side of Great Britain. It is mountainous – around one-quarter is above 305 metres and in the north its highest peak, Snowdon (Yr Wyddfa), rises to 1,085 metres. The Cambrian Mountains run from north to south and to the south are the Brecon Beacons, with flat, grassy summits, and the steep-sided South Wales Valleys. The Welsh coastline varies from estuaries to sheltered bays, high cliffs, peninsulas, and marsh and low-tide sandbanks.

--Pondle (talk) 22:00, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
The Met Office has it: “Wales is a mainly mountainous country with much of the land being over 150 metres.”
Wording agreed for the Wales article introduction is suitable for the subsequent sentences here: “It is a country that is part of the United Kingdom, bordered by England to its east and the Atlantic Ocean and Irish Sea to its west.” Daicaregos (talk) 22:25, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
OK. How about:

"Wales is a generally mountainous country on the western side of central southern Great Britain, between the Irish Sea to the north and the Bristol Channel to the south. It is part of the United Kingdom, bordered by England to its east and the Atlantic Ocean and Irish Sea to its west. It is about 274 km (170 mi) from north to south and at least 97 km (60 mi) wide, with a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). It has over 1,200 km (746 mi) of coastline, and includes offshore islands of which the largest is Anglesey."

Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
A definite improvement to the current intro. Daicaregos (talk) 06:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Done, with a couple of tweaks. If people like it, it can be rolled out into other articles where appropriate. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Fine by me. Unless you think the Celtic Sea should be included too. Daicaregos (talk) 10:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)