Talk:George Borrow

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Date of Death; Oulton, but which?[edit]

As per [ this article] from the 1911 Britannica, Borrow was discovered dead in his home the day after his birthday in 1881. Hence, I put a tilde (~) preceding the date of death, demarking an approximation. Also, the article previously cited states that his home, where he was found, was in Oulton. Wikipedia has a disambiguation page pointing to several Oultons, all of them in Britain. Because Borrow was from Norfolk, it may be presumed that his Oulton was the one in the same county -- but he was a very well-travelled man, and I did not want to risk adding erroneous information to Wikipedia.

  • No, it's be Oulton, Suffolk - that was where his wife was from, and where he lived for many years on her property. My edition of The Bible in Spain lists his death as July 26, 1881. StAnselm 23:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

infobox[edit]

Infobox has been added and bio banner updated. Epousesquecido 18:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Oulton or Oulton Broad?[edit]

Did Borrow live at Oulton or Oulton Broad? Although both of these are now suburbs of Lowestoft, Suffolk, they are different and distinct places. There is quite some distance (say two or three miles at a guess) between Oulton and Oulton Broad - they do not border on each other. Edit: After clicking on Oulton, I found it redirects to Oulton Broad. This is mistaken. Oulton is or was a small village six km to the north which has now more or less been absorbed into Lowetoft. The two places are shown to be seperate, seperated places on maps such as Philips Street Atlas. 80.0.107.16 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I did a little research and the answer seems to be Oulton Broad. - Epousesquecido (talk) 14:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Horse whisperer[edit]

I can see that the phrase horse whisperer may not have been current in the 1700's, but the methodology so described was certainly not a more recent innovation. RashersTierney (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I added this link [1] back in June to source some information which I added to the Borrow article. You also used the link to source some info you added. I watch this article so I noticed your changes. I liked your added info, but not the phrase "horse whispering" as it does not fit the time frame in which he lived. The only reference I could find about "riding without a saddle" was this:
"In the following January, after only a few months' stay, the West Norfolks were moved on to Templemore. It was here that George learned to ride, and that without a saddle, and had awakened in him that "passion for the equine race" that never left him. {17a}"
This would explain a love for horse racing but has nothing to do with Natural horsemanship (horse whisperer). If you found something more, I would be very interested. George Borrow did seem to have a great love for horses, it would be great if you could add that information to the article. I would be happy to help - Epousesquecido (talk) 17:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Lavengro, by George Borrow CHAPTER XVII “Yes, and horses too; bring me the most vicious in the land, if I whisper he’ll be tame.” RashersTierney (talk) 17:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
That is interesting, sounds like the article needs at least a few sentences describing his relationship with horses. Maybe should include that quote from Lavengro? - Epousesquecido (talk) 19:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Died in Suffolk, buried in London?[edit]

Why did anyone take the trouble to move his body to London after his death? His wife predeceased him, no children are mentioned, except a stepdaughter and her husband who lived with him in Oulton (Broad?). I suppose he was taken by train, did Lowestoft or Oulton have a railway line in those days, perhaps making it as quick to visit London or Norwich etc as it is now?

And if this is true "Borrow was discovered dead in his home the day after his birthday in 1881." then would it be worth adding to the article, and b) it implies that the given date of death is wrong. 80.0.109.171 (talk) 23:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The study of him by Edward Thomas (available on Project Gutenberg) answers this and some of the other questions: "Just after he was seventy, in 1874, the year of Jasper Petulengro's death, Borrow left London for Oulton....At Oulton he was much alone and was to be heard "by startled rowers on the lake" chanting verses after his fashion. His remarkable appearance, his solitariness in the neglected house and tangled garden, his conversation with Gypsies whom he allowed to camp on his land, created something of a legend. Children called after him "Gypsy!" or "Witch!" {316} Towards the end he was joined at Oulton by his stepdaughter and her husband, Dr. MacOubrey. In 1879 he was too feeble to walk a few hundred yards, and furious with a man who asked his age. In 1880 he made his will. On July 26, 1881, when he was left entirely alone for the day, he died, after having expected death for some time. He was taken to West Brompton to be buried in that cemetery beside his wife." 80.0.97.150 (talk) 23:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

The estate in Oulton[edit]

Does anyone know how grand the estate was, where exactly it was, and if any of the buildings survive? Thanks. 80.0.109.171 (talk) 23:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

American Cultural Imperialism?[edit]

The author of one section claims that references to 'insolent Yankees' in Havana is a disdain for 'American Cultural Imperialism' This strikes me as non-neutral, and uncited. Does Barrow ever refer to 'cultural imperialism?' or some 19th Century Analog? or is he simply some one who disliked Americans?

03:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.57.132 (talk)