Talk:George Tupou V

error

The name Colonel Crown Prince Siaosi Tāufaʻāhau Manumataongo Tukuʻaho Tupou is copied from the royal ark, and has therefore a 50% chance to be misspelled. Actually it is. But as it appears at this moment that he will not be crown prince any more much longer, we can let correction wait until his crowning. --Tauʻolunga 20:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Aren't you a litle jumpy?He is stil alive. PS:Sorry,ScottDavis,didn't mean to move you on puerpose,just reacting to Tauʻolunga is all.

He is death now, and as soon as was to be expected --Tauʻolunga 19:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The article title should not have "Crown Prince" in it either. It should just be the bare name (the first line can have his full title). If you are going to change the spelling, please fix this as the same time. --Scott Davis ^Talk 23:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

King?

Now that his father is dead isn't he automatically King? Or is it not automatic in Tonga? (Alphaboi867 02:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC))

It looks like the custom is similar to saying, "The King is dead! Long live the King!" It may be more important to put the new king on the throne in Tonga, where the monarch has a great deal of political power and is not a figurehead, unlike the case in most European "kingdoms."

He's been "sworn in" as King, under the title Taufa'ahau Tupou V. The coronation is unlikely to occur for some time (maybe a year), but the coronation (as in many other countries) doesn't seem to be a requirement before assuming royal powers. I suggest we move the article to Taufa'ahau Tupou V. -- Vardion 03:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and moved the article, and tried to update it to reflect his new position. However, I'm not sure what names and titles he would have as King — someone who knows more about it than me might want to take a look. -- Vardion 03:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Is it supposed to be Taufa'ahau Tupou V or George Tupou V? I read the latter on an official announcement. Everyking 06:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

It's George Tupou V, as written here. Švitrigaila 12:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

So therefore let this be a lesson. Do not show off in wanting to be first, but wait until you know for sure before you change. This hurried business only makes things more difficult and more time consuming for others to repair. --Tauʻolunga 19:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

As asked earlier in this discussion section, did George Tupou V automatically become King upon his fathers death (Sept.10), or only after he took his accession oath (Sept.11). If it's the former, then should his reign be September 10th, 2006 - present? GoodDay 18:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

A legal quibble. Luckily not relevant, see note in main article. --Tauʻolunga 19:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It is certainly the case that King George (and that is his correct title in English) became king on the death of his father. The succession laws are the same as in the UK: the king is dead, long live the king. He wasn't "sworn in" on 11 September, the Privy Council proclaimed that he was king- just as the British Privy Council does. Look at the Accession Proclamation, the words are almost exactly the same as used in the UK.

Name

I don't want to anger anyone,but why "George Tupou"?This is the western form of the name sof the two kings and it is not the main recognised in Tonga.As well as that his father is listed here as "Taufa'ahau Tupou IV" and I believe his son should be named under his full royal name "Taufa'ahau Tupou V".New Babylon

PS:Does anyone notice how many monarchs have died within the past year?

First King Fahd of Saudi Arabia

Then Pope John Paul II.,

The Rainier III. of Monaco,

Then Shaikh Jabir III. of Kuiwait,

Then (Im not sure if before or after) Maktoum III. of Dubai

Then Tunku Syed 'Idrus bin Tunku Syed Mohammed Al-Qadri,the Tunku Besar of Tampin,one of Malayisias traditional monarchies,

Then Dame Te Atairangikaahu,the Maori Queen

And now Taufa'ahau Tupou IV.,King of Tonga.

I believe the years 2005-2006 can be named the "Year of the Death of Kings".

By the way King Khalid of Saudi Arabia died in 1982, it was his successor King Fahd who died in 2005. GoodDay 14:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I was so deeply shocked by the death of his majesty,that I made a mistake when reffering to other,most depresing events.But my questioning of the nameing stil stands.New Babylon

Given the number of monarchies in the world, and the life expectancies, we can perhaps calculate the expected number of royal funerals per year. – Kaihsu 17:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

line of succession

How does the line of succession look now? – Kaihsu 10:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see Line of succession to the Tongan Throne. – Kaihsu 14:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Name again

According to the proclamation in Tongan ([1]) the short version of his name is SIAOSI TUPOU V or in English George Tupou V. Why does the article give Tāufaʻāhau Tupou V as the short form? Gugganij 10:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The english version of the royal webpage refers to him as Siaosi Tupou V or George Tupou V, therefore I changed Tāufaʻāhau back to George (although I'd prefer Siaosi). Gugganij 10:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

It's an endless debate. Why Charles X Gustav of Sweden and Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden ?... Švitrigaila 16:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I have neither a problem with George nor the Tongan version of George. I just wanted to point out that "Tāufaʻāhau" is not the name official documents are referring to him (those names are either "George" or "Siaosi"). Gugganij 22:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

So, just to be clear: "Siaosi" is Tongan for "George"? How does that work? Is "Siaosi" pronounced differently than an English-speaker might expect from looking at the letters? --Jfruh (talk) 23:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Siaosi is pronounced in the international way (Latin) and therefore uncomprehensible to Americans. It is pronounced as close as the Tongan language can come to 'George'. --Tauʻolunga 19:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I know a Siaosi, and he uses Siaosi and George interchangably. He pronounces it "See O say" (Mykuhl)

Legal children

Does this mean no legitimate children, or no acknowledged children? And why "no legal children" and not "no children"? Does this mean that he has children? Guettarda 15:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

He has at least one illegimate daughter, a student at Queen Salote College (at least until a few years ago). Everybody knows. Unfortunately it is hard to get this confirmed in writing, and as such we cannot put it in the main article. --Tauʻolunga 19:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

If the child has been acknowledged, she could be legally adopted, as was done in Monaco (and I don't mean recently either- Prince Rainier's forebears didn't always have legitimate children). She could then become his heir.

The Tongan constitution has different ideas about that, see Line of succession to the Tongan Throne --Tauʻolunga 22:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Found, it is 'Ilima Lei Tohi --Tauʻolunga 08:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think that children are only children and everyone deserves to be not discriminated. I don't think that children have to be legal or not legal, because these are only juridical fictions which have nothing to do with nature and reality. So, if this man has a daughter she IS his daughter and no more. If he didn't recognize her, this is only a speculation, so it would be better to cut off every reference, because it's only a gossip. Val

203.24.6.121, please stop

An anon editor at 203.24.6.121 keeps deleting cited information about the king's illegitimate daughter. This needs to stop. Can an IP address be banned? --Jfruh (talk) 18:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I have reported him as a vandal. Hopefully that helps. --Tauʻolunga 18:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Article

There was a national geographic article on him and tonga. It mentioned something about the crown prince saying without royal guidance the people of Tonga would urinate in elevators. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.164.35 (talk) 21:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Newspaper description

I don't know whether it's worth putting in the article, but this is how The Independent describes King George:

George Tupou V is an Oxford and Sandhurst graduate with an upper-crust English accent and only scant interest in Tonga's culture. A computer geek, he favours Savile Row suits, or a military uniform, complete with pith helmet, monocle and sword. He is driven around the main island, Tongatapu, in a black London taxi – which, he once explained, was "easier to get in and out of when you're wearing a sword".

His 109,000 subjects may be tolerant of such foibles but they are less forgiving of other sins, such as his use of state assets to fund his jet-set lifestyle; his lukewarm attitude to Tonga's twin religions, Christianity and rugby; his refusal to live in the Royal Palace; and, perhaps worst, his lack of a wife.[2] Aridd (talk) 17:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Election held

The article stated: "In addition, the King announced that there will be parliamentary reform and elections in 2010".

I did read about the outcome of this, but where for citation etc. I can't remember, so have just changed the text to "would" from "will" - but if anyone could fill out what actually happened that would clearly be much more useful than such tinkering.

(Is there a tag for items that are in future tense for past dates? I failed to find one)

Icarusgeek (talk) 16:16, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

{{Update|type=section}} for the entire section, or {{update after}} for an inline tag.-gadfium 18:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Gadfium - tag applied :-) Icarusgeek (talk) 19:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Name

Can we move this to Siaosi Tupou V? Why use English for a Tongan king? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)