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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 21:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Georgia Bulldogs FootballGeorgia Bulldogs football – To put in line with other college football teams, per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization).

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  • Support. jareha 14:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
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Question[edit]

What is the Lamb Poll? And why have I never heard of it even though I am a huge college football fan? 98.195.205.253 (talk) 08:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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Ray Guy Award[edit]

Drew Butler is the 2209 winner of the Ray Guy Award. He is the first punter to recieve this award.Cajoiner (talk) 01:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Status as 2nd most profitable program[edit]

Let's remember people, you don't get to erase CNN-verified factual information just because you don't like that it's true. --Benc90 (talk) 18:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Rivalries section[edit]

The rivalries section really needs to be expanded. In a large percentage of teams' pages, major rivalries are given about a paragraph of synopsis while linking to the main article (were applicable). See examples at Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football, Florida Gators football, South Carolina Gamecocks football, and Alabama Crimson Tide football. As far as the table dispute, I don't understand why it's important to list "recent wins" on the table at all. Choosing which wins count a "recent" is necessarily subjective and leads towards both original research and non-NPOV presentation.

The only similar table I could find on a team's page, at Auburn Tigers football, only lists "latest win." I can at least see a justification for that, so I have changed the table to reflect that statistic. In an ideal article, however, I think we can eliminate the table altogether and just discuss each rivalry individually, as is done in the examples cited above. -Jhortman (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Stop edit warring[edit]

"World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party" is a sourced, verifiable nickname for UGA-UF. No WP policy or guideline suggests we should only list official names. In fact, WP usually uses common names, which WLOCP is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.137.20.196 (talk) 17:09, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

No policy says we have to go with silly nicknames certain editors like, either. At any rate, WLOCP is not the most common name, or it would still be the title of the article. If you want to move the article back, start a move discussion over there, otherwise the link needs to be to the current article title.--Cúchullain t/c 17:18, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
The point is: why would we emphasize a nickname, especially one that is now officially deprecated, as if it had some kind of official status? If it were the most common way to refer to the game it would be one thing, but it's demonstrably not.--Cúchullain t/c 17:24, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
It "demonstrably" is the common way to refer to the game/rivalry, "Florida vs. Georgia football classic" is just some name made up so that the universities, etc. wouldn't have to use WLOCP as the name. No one says "Florida vs. Georgia football classic", they either say Georgia-Florida, Florida-Georgia, or WLOCP.
ok so if maintaining the link is the important point then i corrected the table to reflect that— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.33.80.61 (talkcontribs)
You're wrong if you think WLOCP is really the most common way people refer to the game. This was reviewed back in 2009 when the article was moved. The most common way of referring to it is "Florida-Georgia" or some derivative such as "Florida-Georgia Game", "Florida vs. Georgia", "Georgia-Florida", etc. The City of Jacksonville tends to call it the "Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic" or "Florida-Georgia Football Classic" (swapping Georgia and Florida depending on who's "home"). Individually and together these options are vastly more common in the sources. It's likely that WLOCP is used proportionally even less now than it was then.--Cúchullain t/c 18:28, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Why the hell do we care about the "official name?" ElKevbo (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
The real question is, why the hell do we care about a silly unofficial nickname that's used less and less? I've never understood why some Wikipedia editors are so dead set on pushing it as if it were really widely used.--Cúchullain t/c 18:28, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Because it is used, verifiably. Similar to the nicknames of other rivalries such as Red River Shootout, Backyard Brawl, Battle of the Techs, Civil War (football), The Game etc. Of course there are going to be more references using the names of the teams, just like any other rivalry. People call the Georgia-GT game "Georgia-Georgia Tech", but "Clean Old-Fashioned Hate" is still used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.137.20.150 (talk) 18:49, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Being used, and being the most common name are two different things. A nickname can only be the article title if it's more commonly used than the alternatives. In this case it's not. It is still mentioned in the article, but it doesn't need to be plastered across every other article as if it had some kind of real status.--Cúchullain t/c 18:55, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The burden of evidence is on the ones who want to keep the nickname to defend it, and the above points haven't been addressed. What purpose does it serve having two links, one of them a nickname, to the same article? It certainly has no disambiguation purpose; literally no one who knows what the "Worlds Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party" is won't understand "Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic".--Cúchullain t/c 21:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok. That's a convincing argument for me. ElKevbo (talk) 21:45, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I went ahead and removed the link.--Cúchullain t/c 15:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Anon, stop revert warring or you will be blocked from editing. In what way is "Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic", a name that has official use, any less of an "official name" than the other two? And at any rate, the column says "Rivalry", not "Nickname, and certainly not "Official nickname of the rivalry". Your pedantry does not serve the reader.--Cúchullain t/c 21:47, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you, Cuchullain, except that Georgia refers to the game as the "Georgia vs. Florida Football Classic." See the logo at this link for an example of an official logo for the Ga/Fl game with Georgia as the first name. I'm going to change the name to Georgia vs. Florida Football Classic in the absence of documentation to the contrary. -Jhortman (talk) 23:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
That image doesn't actually prove your point; it's clearly the officially-used logo, and for the last number of years they officially swap every year. Even still, most people still just call it "Florida-Georgia" as it was called for decades prior, even the Jacksonville newspaper[1] and the city.[2] Do you have any sources indicating that Georgia fans more usually call it "Georgia-Florida"?Cúchullain t/c 02:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I guess you're right... the link I included isn't definitive proof, but here is a picture from this year's game that shows both logos in use side-by-side in the stadium. At times in the past, the game has been called Georgia/Florida or Florida/Georgia depending on who was the home team, but for several years now, the usage has just been to put both sets of logos on the field and around Jax and let the athletic departments use whichever name they want. Georgia's use of the "Georgia/Florida" vernacular can be found here and in a PDF here. (There's a section on the first page of the PDF labeled "Jacksonville welcomes the Georgia-Florida Game" and a section at both links titled "The Georgia-Florida series." There's also a link to the official Georgia PR for the 2010 game here, where both the 2010 and 2009 games are specifically referred to as "the Georgia-Florida game."
I don't see that there's any official policy listed on the site (or any other) stating which name has to come first, but Georgia's athletic department uniformly uses Georgia's name first. -Jhortman (talk) 10:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
That's good enough for me. I didn't realize they had stopped altering the names by year; if so we need to update our article on the game. But I guess I have noticed that nowadays the local media and the City of Jacksonville just tend to call it "Florida-Georgia" regardless of who's the home team, which is what everyone here called it anyway.--Cúchullain t/c 13:23, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's going to be difficult to document at Florida vs. Georgia Football Classic, because I haven't yet been able to find any official policy (or even a mention of a policy in any primary sources) on the official use of the name. It's just what has fallen into common use. The first sentence of the article does say "Florida vs. Georgia or Georgia vs. Florida," so that might be good enough. You're right in that the City of Jacksonville and the media always call it "Florida/Georgia." -Jhortman (talk) 00:53, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

There are a number of sources for the name, though I can't find any saying what the City of Jacksonville does. In the article, the line about the name change is sourced to this from the Jacksonville newspaper Daily Record. Here's a book mentioning the switch, and here's something to that effect from the main Jax paper The Florida Times-Union I also dug up this from the Times-Union, which explains that the paper itself switch the names depending on who's home; interestingly it doesn't say anything about the city or anyone else doing. And interestingly, the paper still generally calls the game "Florida-Georgia" whenever it's mentioned during the rest of the year.--Cúchullain t/c 14:52, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Very interesting, especially since that first link is from 2009, which is able to be documented as a year when that wasn't the convention that was followed. Maybe what we've got is a case of the contract with Jax stating an "official policy" several years ago, and everybody in the media and athletic departments just basically ignoring the policy and doing what they want after a few years. I'll try to dig into this some more. -Jhortman (talk) 15:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

"Primary Rivalries" vs. "Secondary Rivalries"[edit]

I have seen no official information nor any information from primary sources that supports a distinction of this kind. Certainly, some fans think some rivalries are more important that others, but that is not an appropriate NPOV distinction for Wikipedia. IMO, it is more NPOV to list rivals in order of number of times played. -Jhortman (talk) 23:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Image deletion discussion[edit]

Relevant deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2011_December_31#File:Georgia Football.png .--GrapedApe (talk) 17:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Proposal for the University of Georgia[edit]

Hello all,

I have started a proposal for a WikiProject for the University of Georgia. The UGA article and all related pages including Georgia Bulldogs is in need of much improvement and expansion. If you're interested in joining, please add your name to the supporter list. The University of Florida started it's own WikiProject and that gave me the idea. There is much work to be done! Your support and attention is much needed and much appreciated!

Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments. DMB112 (talk) 18:15, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

National championships[edit]

They have five total national championships, of which two are consensus. Should we change the infobox and lede to only show the consensus, or should we mention them all? —C.Fred (talk) 16:23, 19 October 2013 (UTC)