Talk:Georgian Jews

Khazar-Theory dubunked for Georgian/Russian Jews

http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100603/full/news.2010.277.html

To elaborate:

http://www.imninalu.net/Khazars.htm

Most of East European Jews migrated from the west to the east of the continent, and were not descended from the inhabitants of the Khazar Empire. They are actually a fusion of Balkan-Greek Jews from the Byzantine Empire, Babylonian Jews from the Abbasid Caliphate, Yiddish-speaking Jews from Germany, Sephardic Jews fleeing the Spanish inquisition, and Khazars. All these groups intermarried over the centuries, so that the Khazar converts disappeared as a distinguishable ethnical entity and their descendants became fully Jewish with Israelite ancestry.

--Wind2112 (talk) 03:51, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

documentation

Any documentation about the recently added remark about Gruzim in Austria? -- Jmabel 20:50, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)

I wrote User:82.166.133.248 asking him if s/he could provide a source for the assertion. I've made a pretty thorough search of materials as well as a couple of google searches. My offline searches have turned up nothing, and the google searches that say that some Gruzim moved to Austria are just mirroring the assertion in wikipedia...not exactly authoritative. Tomer ^TALK 01:03, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

research

eventually, i plan to get around to doing some research on georgia (not the state, though i might do THAT, too).

i basically know the, well, basics:

• it's in the caucasus
• it's people are called georgians
• it's language is the georgian language

not very impressive, so far...

Gringo300 09:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

As a Georgian Jew, I can tell you that this page is full of errors. First of all, Georgian Jews do not refer to themselves as Gruzim, nor are they referred to as Gruzim by other Georgian speakers. They call themselves Ebraelebi, or Kartveli Ebraeli. The word Gruzim itself is erroneous, and has nothing to do with the Georgian language - GRUZINI or GRUZINIM is used by Hebrew speakers to refer to Georgian Jews. It is not a Georgian word, and definitely should not be used to classify Georgian Jews. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Irawolfe99 (talk • contribs) 22 May 2006.

I'm guessing that you know the topic better than those who've been working on it. I'd say "please, edit", but I'd also add that we'd greatly appreciate if you can provide citations, given the WP:NOR policy. - Jmabel | Talk 01:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

"Gruzim"

Agreed that neither the Georgian Jews themselves nor other Georgians call them "Gruzim", but isn't this the common name in Hebrew? And therefore worth mentioning? It has now been completely removed from the article except, oddly, in the phrase "the Gruzim speak the languages of the peoples surrounding them." - Jmabel | Talk 19:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

If you meet a Georgian Jews, they will be offended by this term "Gruzim." You can meet them actually at www.kartuli.com. But if you think it was unfair to remove the name, you may change it however, with help of sources. Thanks Ldingley 19:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The Georgian jews called in Israel Gruzinim (more common) or Gruzim and for single Gruzini or Gruzi. It drive from the name Gruzia. So if Georgian jew identify himself Gruzini he means that he is Georgian. In Israel it will be obvious that he means Georgian jew. Now after the change of the name Gruzia to Georgia in Israel they the term Georgim (გეორგიმ) means either Georgians or Georgian jews. Geagea (talk) 10:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Synagogue photo

The first photo identified as 'Tbilisi Synagogue' is in fact a bathhouse and has never served as a religious building of any kind. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.5.16.251 (talk) 03:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

I have no independent knowledge about this. I hesitate to act on just this anonymous remark. The image comes from here; nothing there seems to say anything about the nature of the building; what is the basis for claiming that it is a synagogue (or for claiming that it never has been)? - Jmabel | Talk 19:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

The same issue has been raised at Commons:Image talk:SynagogueTbilisi.jpg. The uploader was contacted, and has not responded. I think the prudent thing to do for now is to remove the image from the article. - Jmabel | Talk 19:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Tbilisi Synagogue Pic

Perhaps this recent photo (Jan. 2007) of the main Tbilisi synagogue (built in 1904), after it underwent major restoration work could be used? http://www.flickr.com/photos/smooglie/366377447/

56 in Russia?!

...and yet I, an ethnic Russian-Ukrainian and atheist with no connection whatsoever to Georgia or Judaism, having spent only 3 years of the past decade in Russia, personally know about 10 of them (and yes, they were Georgian Jews, not Jewish Soviet nationals who have lived in Georgia)? Highly, highly doubtful. Anecdotal evidence from personal conversation points to Georgian Jews identifying themselves as 'Ethnicity - Georgian, Religion - Jewish', when in Russia, probably to avoid a lengthy ethnographic explanation (much like many Soviet expatriates often identify themselves as 'Russian' when living abroad, for simplicity's sake). Aadieu (talk) 02:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

It is not complitly anekdota. During the short live freedom of Georgia in 1918-1921, where two students Yosf and Mikhil khnanashvili that make an assumption that the Georgian jews are ethnic Georgian that racieve the Jewdaism. that assumption become popular among the Georgian elita. the claim was that thiere is no need different organisation for jews because they are Georgian baicly. more then that, whene tha Nazis were in the north borders of Georgia, they made pre-reserch about tha jews in the Caucasus and concluded that there is no evidence that the Georgian jews are Jews and it should be more reserch about that. Anyway the idea is interesting but more likly not true. the Georgiaan chrinicals tels us that the jews revieve holy Nino whene she came to Georgia fo her misionery trip. Geagea (talk) 12:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Prominent?

What makes Anzor Haimson notable enough to mention as a "prominent" Georgian Jew? A web search suggests that he is a jeweler, but indicates no particular notability. I suggest removing from the list. - Jmabel | Talk 16:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Similarly Jakov Katsobashvili. No online mention outside this article. - 16:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Conversely, Nodar Djin (born Nodar Djindjihashvili) probably should be linked; he probably deserves an article. - Jmabel | Talk 16:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Not a lost tribe of Israel

The origin of the Georgian Jews, as well as the others in the Caucausus, is most likely from a combination of the Judaean exiles from the destruction of the 1st Temple by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar, and the Judaean exiles from the destruction of the 2nd Temple by the Romans, as well as later migrations of Jews from the Middle East and elsewhere.

There is no basis for the claim that Georgian Jews are descendants of the Israelites from the northern kingdom exiled by the Assyrians under Shalmanezer, who were resettled in the Habor region (northeeastern Syria/upper Mesopotamia) and the cities of the Medes (northwestern Iran), but ultimately became the "10 lost tribes of Israel", who quite simply cannot be accounted for (only the Samaritans' claim of descent appears to have validity). It was the descendants of the Judaean captives of Babylon and those who returned to Jerusalem during Cyrus, who adopted normative Judaism in the days of Ezra the scribe, when the Torah was canonized.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 (talk) 21:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree, but it is a idea that exist and should be mentioned in the article. Geagea (talk) 18:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe useful

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Regards,--Diaoha (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)