Talk:German minority in Poland

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Wprost[edit]

Honestly, Molobo, those edits are in striking contrast to the recent sarcasm. It is simply blatant POV pushing. Sciurinæ 11:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the examples of German misconduct. These were minor incidents, not notable enough to be mentioned in encyclopedic article. Also I don't find them useful in the context of the article. This is not a newspaper. --Lysytalk 15:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Untrue-the hostile actions of German minority in Poland have been subject of debates in Polish Parliament, were presented in several leading media in Poland.As such they are notable.
--Molobo 16:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Media feed on incidents, encyclopedia does not. Maybe you could summarize the situation in a more descriptive way instead of giving these examples, which seem to be rather marginal on their own. (I will better not comment on what's happening in Polish Parliament). --Lysytalk 16:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As you know media reports are pefectly accepted on Wikipedia which is not a paper. Also personal opinions on quality of debate in Polish Parliament are of no relevance on notablity.So if several media have reported disturbing activity by German minority and it was subject of debates in Parliament, I think it is notable enough to be put in the article. --Molobo 17:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Let me quote the beginning of the article that you've cited yourself. Huzia na Niemca!: "Nie ma tygodnia, by opolscy Niemcy nie musieli się tłumaczyć z prawdziwych albo wydumanych afer." As you see, even the article that you cite questions in the very first sentence if these incidents really happened. That something has been disputed in the parliament does not mean anything. --Lysytalk 17:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article I gave and which you brought up is from German minority, it served as a proof for statements of the leader of German Minority who stated that they "Don't care about Republic of Poland". --Molobo 18:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How could u Molobo try to frame Fritz Haber as a sadistic murderer? he invented fertilizers and won a Nobel Prize for his research. Simply because chemical weapons were developed from his research doesnt make him a horrible murderer. If that were true then Einstein and everyone else who worked on nuclear development is a mass murderer because the Nuclear bomb was developed from it. Fritz Haber is not "infamous" as u stated, but rather a famous and respected man whose research was used to do wrong.Jadger 03:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True, as is described in the article of Fritz Haber. What I'd like to know is whether the newspaper article that Molobo cited had tried to convey the same message as Molobo, or whether a certain student of journalism just became creative again. Sciurinæ 10:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The articles were much more extensive, obviously. What's your point, anyway ? --Lysytalk 11:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Lysy, I'd like to know whether there is any bias in the text that Molobo just mirrors or whether Molobo just cherrypicks arguments to achieve this one-sidedness. It has nothing to do with the article as such. Sciurinæ 23:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fritz Haber is not "infamous" as u stated, but rather a famous and respected man whose research was used to do wrong. Not in Poland as it seems.By the way his wife comitted suicide as a protest against his actions. --Molobo 12:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC) From Fritz Haber:[reply]

In his studies of the effects of poison gas, Haber noted that exposure to a low concentration of a poisonous gas for a long time often had the same effect (death) as exposure to a high concentration for a short time. He formulated a simple mathematical relationship between the gas concentration and the necessary exposure time. This relationship became known as Haber's rule. Haber defended gas warfare --Molobo 12:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC) Truly famous and respected man by Sciurinæ and Jadger. Not really surprising is it ? --Molobo 12:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neverthless it does not matter what I or Sciurinæ or Jadger think about him. What matters is the reaction of Polish society since that is the issue of the part of the article. --Molobo 14:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it does not matter what the Polish ppl thought about it, as that can be seen in the newspaper article which u should link if we are to keep this, what matters is that we try not to paint Haber as a sadistic mass-murderer as u had it stated.Jadger 16:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

German Minority in (former Germany, now) Poland - Polish versions of facts[edit]

Several Polish contributors to Wikipedia consistently remove facts from Wikipedia articles. This same attitude and behavior happens in daily life in Poland as reported by citizen of (former Germany, now) Poland [1]
(The preceeding unsigned comment was added by User:87.187.147.113 as of 09:29, 2 May 2007)

Germans in Poland have minority rights, Poles in Germany don't. So save me the "daily life in Poland as reported by citizen...". Space Cadet 15:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Text of removed statement([2], [3]) about the 'creation of facts - Polish style'

150.000 is the officially reported figure. This is derived from official poll takers, who went house to house and individually filled in consensus for persons, often claimed them as Polish, against the expressed will of a person, who declaired themself German and who were born, when that part of todays Poland was Germany.
Poles in Germany do not need any more minority rights than do Italians, British, Australians or Eskimos. They are simply expats. Whereas Germans in Poland are an indigenous minority. Yupanqui (talk) 13:20, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't East Germany a Lechitic territory?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polabian_Slavs
Domen von Wielkopolska (talk) 16:28, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved, consensus is against moving the article —James (Talk • Contribs) • 3:20pm • 05:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

German minority in Poland → Germans of Poland — As Germans of Hungary, Germans of Romania Germans of Serbia Germans of Kazakhstan etc. Alphasinus (talk) 05:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: No reason for the "minority" detail to be in the title; consistency. –CWenger (^ • @) 17:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The Germans in Poland are a national minority. The word minority points out their status as a native national and ethnic minority. --Jonny84 (talk) 19:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. A glance at Category:Ethnic groups in Poland suggests to me a wider problem; we need a naming convention across all countries and minorities on whether we use "Fooians in Booland" or "Fooian minority in Booland". (I see no logical reason why we should have German minority in Poland but Poles in Germany - but I am not sure which version is better). Or if such a policy/guideline already exists, please link it here. Till such a consensus is hashed out, I see little need to try to fix articles one at a time. One solution would be a mass RM request and discussion. The word "minority" is useful, but I am not strongly convinced it is a necessary clarification. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50)[edit]

I thought the Germans in present day Poland were expelled from the former eastern territories of Germany?! 84.210.127.117 (talk) 21:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Right, that's how the majority became a minority. --Jonny84 (talk) 13:59, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

article does not seem objective[edit]

Examples: "flight and expulsion of Germans from Poland" referring to the flight of Germans must be called "flight of Germans from former eastern territories", since Poland's borders were shifted. It seems a must to refer to the fact that a third of present Poland had a German majority. Example: "instead, the Soviets expelled Germans from the areas of Lower Silesia, Upper Silesia, Pommerania, East Brandenburg, and East Prussia and replaced them with Poles, most of whom were expelled from Soviet-occupied areas that were previously part of Poland." makes the Polish authorities seem completely noninvolved in the expulsions which seems highly unlikely — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.104.118.172 (talk) 09:14, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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5 year gap[edit]

According to the 1931 census, around 740,000 German speakers -- 2.3 % of the population --lived in within the Polish borders of this time. Their minority rights were protected by the Little Treaty of Versailles of 1919. The right to appeal to the League of Nations however was renounced[by whom?] in 1934, officially due to Germany's withdrawal from the League (September 1933) after Adolf Hitler became German Chancellor in January 1933.
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After Nazi Germany's invasion of the Second Polish Republic in September 1939,

The coverage here jumps from some vague 1934 renouncement following September 1933 LoN withdrawal to a September 1939 invasion. Shouldn't there be some discussion of what was happening to the GMIP during this interim, after they lost right to appeal and preceding invasion? Particularly since Bloody Sunday (1939) asserts:

months prior to the 1939 German invasion of Poland, German newspapers and politicians like Adolf Hitler had carried out a national and international propaganda campaign accusing Polish authorities of organizing or tolerating violent ethnic cleansing of ethnic Germans living in Poland

Even if there wasn't ethnic cleansing, if there were actually accusations of it being made as a pretext to invasion, that should be mentioned and then contrasted with what was actually happening and possibly being misinterpreted. ScratchMarshall (talk) 17:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The violence during this 5 year gap is no fiction and is documented in detail in the multi-hour documentary 'Europe: The Last Battle', which gives a surprising perspective and eye-opening view of this period. NieropE (talk) 10:41, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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