Talk:Gerry Adams

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Knighthood[edit]

surely a joke, here? I guess you get this specific vandalisation a lot, is there a way to prevent this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.23.30 (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


Paul Loughran[edit]

Has anyone any reliable sources concering the claim that Loughran voiced Adams? I can only find self published links.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alligators1974 (talkcontribs) 21:56, 10 May 2014

WP:BLP Warning[edit]

I have now cited the BBC to the effect that they have learnt that Adams will not be charged unless significant new evidence is forthcoming. I recall hearing this as the lead headline on the BBC News at the time, and it has been widely quoted by others sources. I am, to put it mildly, somewhat surprised that this was not already reported here several days ago for WP:BLP reasons. I am neither a member of Sinn Fein, nor a sympathiser (nor is the BBC, nor the outlets quoting its story) - on the contrary, I rather dread the possibility of Sinn Fein achieving power in my country (the Republic of Ireland) in the near future. Nevertheless, there seem to be few more serious violations of our BLP rules than to announce that a file has been sent to the Public Prosecution Service, yet fail to mention that the country's official broadcasting service has publicly announced that it understands that there is insufficent evidence to prosecute (perhaps all the more so when the file is about the leader of a political party in the midst of campaigning for local and European elections). It would be strange if the only publication failing to mention this authoritatively-reported lack of evidence was Wikipedia, an organisation whose BLP rules oblige it to be especially careful not to defame living persons.(Incidentally, given our BLP rules, I also find it strange that our lead mentioned the file being sent to the PPS, but, until I added them, failed to mention Adams's claims of innocence, even though these are in many sources, including the one cited for the file being sent to the PPS). I might have added other sources such as Ed Moloney stating on BBC Newsnight that common sense would tell us that the only evidence against him is hearsay that is inherently insufficient to convict somebody in court (on You tube here), except that the BBC seems like a more authoritative source than Ed Moloney. As such, PLEASE BE WARNED that anybody seeking to remove that BBC citation without a very good explanation must risk being immediately reported to the relevant Wikipedia authorities for a seemingly most serious violation of WP:BLP, if only because we are instructed that BLP violations must be redressed without any delay whatsoever. Tlhslobus (talk) 06:17, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Tlhslobus, you need to dial back the rhetoric about three notches. As it stands, your edit have severely unbalanced the lede with detail that belongs in the body of the article. --NeilN talk to me 06:53, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Suit yourself - as long as you check with Wikipedia's BLP authorities first, or know from experience that you are not violating BLP. If the lead is 'unbalanced' (with too much detail, but without BLP violations), that can be fixed at leisure, whereas BLP violations are meant to be fixed immediately. And sorry if my 'rhetoric' sounds over the top, though with BLP I'd rather risk overstating things than understating them. Personally I'd be delighted if BLP rules (and Sinn Fein) didn't exist, but they do. Tlhslobus (talk) 07:26, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
The paragraph should read something like:
In 2014, he was arrested for questioning and held for four days by the Police Service of Northern Ireland in connection with the abduction and murder of Jean McConville in 1972. He was freed without charge and denied that he had any involvement in the murder or that was ever a member of the IRA, saying the allegations against him came from "enemies of the peace process".
--NeilN talk to me 07:09, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
In terms of BLP, that sounds OK by me (though I'm a thoroughly fallible human being, so I could easily be wrong), as you have balanced the removal of 'No prosecution' with the removal of 'may be prosecuted'. I don't know whether it improves the lead, but I don't much care either, as long as the balanced 'No prosecution' and 'may be prosecuted' stuff remains in the body of the article, at first glance it seems no major problem (though of course I could easily be wrong - and among other things, for all I know, whoever put the PPS file sentence into the lead (or anybody who likes the truth and/or dislikes Adams and/or any other reason I haven't thought of) might well object to its removal, while others might object to the removal of 'insufficient evidence', while others might think your version is still too long and still has too much detail, and so on ad infinitum). Tlhslobus (talk) 07:26, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Related discussion in relation to Adams[edit]

See Talk:King's shilling#Gerry_Adams_and_resignation_from_the_House_of_Commons. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:06, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

other examples both Northern Ireland MP/MLA and TD?[edit]

Are there many other examples of politicians who, like Austin Currie and Gerry Adams, sat in parliaments on both sides of the border - who sat in the Dáil and in one of the successive Northern Ireland Parliaments/Assemblies?----Bancki (talk) 19:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Most of the Sinn Fein members elected in the first Stormont elections in the 1920s also sat in the Dail (de Valera, Michael Collins, Arthur Griffith etc.) Post Stormont (1973 onward) none I can think of. Seamus Mallon did sit in the Seanad, which resulted in his disqualification from the 1982 assembly. Valenciano (talk) 15:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)