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New Cedi[edit]

The external purchasing power of the old and new currencies will be the same; the cedi is not being devalued nor re-valued.

What does that mean? If 10,000 old cedi will be equal to 1 new cedi, how is that not a revaluation? Nik42 07:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

This is just a confusion between "re-denomination" and "delvauation". Clearly in the case of new cedi of 2007, it's a re-denomination.
Some people would say cedi is re-valued because 1 unit of cedi will be 10,000 time larger
Some people would not say cedi is revalued because 10,000 cedi and 1 new cedi could buy the same amount of goods or foreign currency. 10,000 old cedi is worth 1 USD, and after the changeover, 10,000 old cedi is still worth 1 USD. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Precisely. I was confused by this at first, too. —Nightstallion (?) 14:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Move to Ghana cedi[edit]

Ghana's central bank officially refers to the new cedi as "Ghana Cedi". Should a new page be created for this cedi, or perhaps a move to Ghana Cedi? Nik42 18:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Nope, the current name is absolutely fine and fits the WikiProject Numismatics naming guidelines. —Nightstallion 20:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

One concern that I have: In Ghana there are two different ways to speak in monetary terms: 10,000 cedis is one Ghana Cedi. Naming the page 'Ghanian Cedi' is confusing, as one doesn't know which cedi the authors are referring to. -Fox 41.204.40.9 (talk) 17:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The name of the present currency is the Ghana cedi. The "Ghanaian cedi" is a "cedi" from Ghana - ie, the old currency. Aside from the 3:1 consensus here, the current page name is demonstrably incorrect and misleading. — LlywelynII 19:46, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Or, to put it another way, the current currency of a sovereign nation deserves its own namespace, and we shouldn't be ORing its adjective. If there's enough material to warrant it, a separate page on historical currencies named cedi is also welcome, the same way we have both US dollar and dollar. — LlywelynII 20:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Ghanaian GDP[edit]

The CIA World Factbook 2008 puts Ghana's GDP at roughly half what it was in 2006 - e.g Ghana's 2007 per capita (est.) is '1,400$', down from '2,800$' in 2006.

What happened, and why is there no information about this, anywhere? Something "ENORMOUS" has happened, and yet nothing is written. Is a loss in GDP of this magnitude not indicative of a catastrophe?! Ghana's GDP is lower today than it was in the 1990s; and all this within the span of a year. Yet not a word (not a single word, anywhere) from anybody dealing with Ghanaian economics or affairs.

... Either the CIA world factbook is completely and utterly wrong, or something devestating has happened to Ghana. Also, I wonder how much of this has to do with Ghanaian change in currency.

If anybody knows what is going on, please respond. --70.68.179.142 (talk) 12:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

You could try looking at the annual reports at the Bank of Ghana site, but my guess would be an exchange rate fluctuation. — LlywelynII 20:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

[edit]

First, all official use has GH₵, but it's been years since the change-over. Are informal prices really listed with three signs instead of just the one? Can we find a WP:reliable source that documents the use of ₵ by itself to refer to the new Ghana Cedi?

Second, all official use actually has GH¢. Does anyone apart from sumpsimians actually use the thing? Why did unicode bother to add it? And does its disuse in Ghana have anything to do with the Ghanaian graphical versions having a diagonal bar, while unicode took it upon itself to make it vertical? — LlywelynII 20:08, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Removal of images[edit]

Another editor has removed images of this currency's banknotes without discussing it here first. I am reverting the removals. Please do not remove images without first seeking consensus to do so. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 19:27, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

  • Consensus already exists via WP:NFTABLE. This usage is not acceptable. There was a recent attempt to override the consensus, which failed. I am re-removing the images. If you wish to override this consensus, please propose a wording change of WP:NFTABLE at WT:NFC. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:22, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

At least one photo[edit]

There ought to be at least one photo of a banknote and at least one of a coin to show what a Ghana Cedi looks like. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 17:53, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

sounds like K or S?[edit]

Does Cedi sound like "Sedi" or "Kedi" ? Böri (talk) 11:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Sedi, I think... Böri (talk) 11:05, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Merge of Ghanaian Pound article into Ghana Cedi article[edit]

Since the Ghanaian Pound simply was the very first currency of independent Ghana, the proto Cedi on might say wouldn't it be a good idea simply to have all four historical currencies of the Republic of Ghana in the same article? Jack Bornholm (talk) 14:36, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree. There's no real reason for the separate pound page. VirusKA (talk) 18:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Sounds logical. --Varavour (talk) 21:19, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Agree. →Enock4seth (talk) 13:41, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
It makes sense, I agree.—Sadat (Masssly)TalkCEmail 18:07, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Oppose, two different currency names. Might as well put Australian pound with Australian Dollar. It would be too confusing. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 21:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. Once the Ghanaian pound (1958-65) banknotes are already on display on Ghana Cedi, it seems plausible to merge and locate the Ghanaian pound stub (composed of just 4 lines) in that section. I understand Enlil Ninlil's concern, but it sounds to me unjustifiable. Krenakarore TK 22:22, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
The Australian pound was introduced to show that Australia as a British Dominion was developing its independence and it continued after the full Independence was achieved in 1942. Australia was a British settlement area and developed its relationship with Great Britain over long time. It is still has a British Monarch. The area today called Ghana was an independent area that trade with danish, dutch and english traders for century (Yes you guessed it, the slavetrade). The main part of the country did not formally become a english colony before 1901 (after the final defeat of the Ashanti Empire). Some Ghanaian Kingdoms and Federations consider the British colony time as a short-lived military occupation. I Have a friend whose Great-Great (something) father as the King of Krobo Ilyt use to throw British colonial officals off a cliff until 1898 when the english finaly got enough artillery upriver. Of course the tribes living at the coast have a different view in this matter. in 1960 88% of the population voted to depose the British Queen as Queen of Ghana.
It is important to understand this talking about the Ghanaian Pound. In contrast to the CFA Franc, witch originally was the french colony currency and then developed into what it is today, the Ghanaian Pound was made up to separate the new Ghana republic from the English colony currency, the British West African pound (not to be confused with the Ghanaian pound). The Ghanaian pound was very shortlived, excisted for only 7 years and it was directly followed by the Cedi.
Of course there is some value to Masslys point of view. I would have no problem following it, but then we should also make new articles for the Cedi and the New cedi as they just as different currencies as the Ghanaian pound in relation to the currency that names this article, namely the Ghana cedi. Comming to this article you might be confused that it does not only handle the Ghana cedi, but also the Cedi and the New cedi. In other words the article right now is already about 3 different currencies. It will take little effort to move the list of Ghanaian pounds on display here to the other article. But it will take more to make 3 good articles instead of 3 stubs about the now defunct currencies: Ghanaian pound, Cedi and New Cedi. Who will do the work researching and writting 3 full articles on this High Importance Project Ghana subject? Jack Bornholm (talk) 23:20, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Now you sound confusing to me. Will or would ? You wanna merge the Ghanaian pound into this one. Krenakarore TK 23:32, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I WOULD love four wellwritten GA articles on all four currencies, but I am realistic. I WILL merge the Ghanaian pound article into this article and make this article really good. To be honest I dont think there is enough references for four article or editor manpower. This is africa :) Actually many of the websites you will go to at a google search sounds word for word like this article before I started removing the worst mistakes. Most of such potential references forgets the 10 and 20 revolution notes. (just an example). So realistic: Lets make one good article about the Currencies of Independent Ghana and lets call it Ghana cedi because that is where most will start looking. So lets merge. And I am also a little annoyed that because they are all called something with cedi that people actually consider them to be the same currency :) Jack Bornholm (talk) 23:41, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
It is just a historical thing, from one currency to the other. To make one good article instead of four stubs is common sense to me. I tend to read the history section before touching anything, so that means I've noticed you've been working on this article for some time, and I've gotta say you've been doing good. Merge that article into this one, once the information is here, not there. Thank you, Krenakarore TK 23:51, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Just wait until we get to the history section. I am finding some references, but it take time. There is quit a few mistakes right now and even more half truths. I dont know if i can succeed, but I hope the history section will one day tell the real story about how it is not simply from one currency to another. But I have to write from internet sources and not simply what I am told when I sit down with my Togbe. How not that many years ago washing powder was better than paper money. Or how the dreams of the grandfathers, or the cazy and dangerous fantasies some might say, never came to be. Or how close we actually was to crashing the whole country this july. But I cant write from what I know, I have to write from sources, so we shall see. Unfortunately I do have a live creeping up on me :). But believe me, the story about the money of Ghana is the story about Ghana. And like anywhere else in Westafrica you really have to be here to feel it. And I am just a white man in a black mans world. Always remember there is a logical explanation for everything, it just not your kind of logic. Jack Bornholm (talk) 00:22, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
As I usually say, my preferences here are totally irrelevant. I believe you will succeed in telling the story of this currency though. Actually, I am sure. I'm gonna ask you a mathematical question now, although I myself am a lousy mathematician: You're working for the New York Times. Your boss is now appointing you the one in charge of the first page. How will you arrange the information on that page ? I showed you other ways to re-arrange the information on the article (the second picture was moved to the left for one reason: The first picture, in the infobox, is already on the right - WP:MOSIM). I will not touch the article, once you're now working on it. Krenakarore TK 00:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Please feel free to do so, we can always get a friendly editing war going :). No seriousely, I don't own any article. I like the way of making the lists, making them the same size. I didn't like the big black parts it made around the pictures, but I think I solved that problem. Maybe you are right, on but on large screens a left picture in a small section will often make the next sections title look out of place. That is what happening on my screen. I really don't like the way the pictures in the coin section looks to. On my screen they are making a sandwich out of the text. I think I would prefer an old fashion paper layout that will not change with the size of the screen the viewer is having. Of course, the solution is simple. Just expand the historical version with the info on the historical inflation of the traditional cedi economics. Then a left picture will be good for all sizes screens. But I get your point, specially when you collapse the table of contents. Jack Bornholm (talk) 00:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I would love to help you out (:) but right now I'm a little bit late with something I've been doing offline for about a year. It is perfectly normal when a picture interferes with a heading, which appears mid-way to the center of the article. That helps to break the usual symmetry between left and right positions of the pictures in the article. In the beginning I didn't like that either, but as time progressed I was showed the advantage of this happening. The black margin around the banknotes was something that should be fixed. You did very well ! Sometimes textual parts in the article tend to be partly sandwiched, but as you said, the solution lies in the expansion of the text itself. Here, nothing remains the same, and if I don't touch the article, somebody else will. Believe me, what you see on your monitor, is what I see on mine. I'll be back when you expand things a bit and make them in a way the readers out there will easily understand. Best of luck, your friend Krenakarore TK 01:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I Agree Wsduho (talk) 17:36, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Oppose. The established convention on Wikipedia is that if the currency unit name is different, it should be a different article, as evident as Malawian kwacha:Malawian pound, Rhodesian pound:Rhodesian dollar, Zambian pound:Zambian kwacha, Israeli lira:Israeli new shekel, the list can go very long. Length is not an issue. There are short-lived republics that are predecessor to the current ones and they have an article. The coin and banknote tables of the pound at Ghana cedi should be moved to Ghanaian pound and that actually solves the correctness problem and the worthiness of Ghanaian pound. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:46, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Do you want this article to be split into four articles? Because there is not two different names but four: Ghanaian Pound, Cedi, New Cedi and Ghana Cedi. And if so would it be a good idea to copy the background (the historical Cedi and Pesewas from the 14th to 19 century) into all four articles or should that be a fifth article? Jack Bornholm (talk) 14:30, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I Agree The article Ghanaian pound is quite brief and its merger with Ghana cedi will enrich that article with the historical background. If someone manages to expand information on the Ghanaian pound substantially, it can be recreated as a separate article.--Natsubee (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Wrong move[edit]

I mistakenly moved the page to Ghanaian (P)ound. It should be Ghanaian (p)ound, like all the other examples such as Malawian kwacha, Malawian pound, Rhodesian pound, Rhodesian dollar, Zambian pound, Zambian kwacha, etc... That needs to be undone and moved to Ghanaian (c)edi, which was someday the title of the article. Sorry for this burden, but accidents happen. Krenakarore TK 21:40, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

There's a Move to Ghana cedi here which probably explain why Ghana cedi, although I disagree with what was said 7 years ago. Krenakarore TK 21:48, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a Ghanaian Cedi. There is the Ghana Cedi, the current currency of Ghana. There is a Ghanaian Pound, a Cedi and a New Cedi, old currencies of Ghana. But A Ghanaian Cedi has never existed. Why this move without discussion? This move should be changed back to Ghana Cedi witch is the right name. It might be wrong in British or American English gramma. But these kind of english is not the only english in the world. If another title than Ghana Cedi is wanted for this article then lets discused it. A new name could be Ghanaian Currencies. But Ghanaian cedi is simply wrong. Jack Bornholm (talk) 02:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 28 January 2015[edit]

Ghanaian CediGhana Cedi – Ghana Cedi was the former name of this article as it is the official name of the current currency of Ghana. There has never excisted such at thing as a Ghanaian Cedi, but there has been several with one of these words in Ghana. The Ghanaian pound, The Cedi and The New Cedi. Jack Bornholm (talk) 02:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

What the national bank of ghana say is the name their own currency: [1] and a little history from the same official website: [2] Jack Bornholm (talk) 02:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Comply ! Krenakarore TK 14:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC)