Talk:Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette

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Education, Marriage & Early Service?[edit]

The article neglects these significant periods in La Fayette's life. Currently it jumps from his birth straight to his American adventures! Where are they? Information on his education and early career is well documented; surprised nobody has bothered to include it in the man's bio! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.110.197.240 (talk) 13:48, 14 February 2012‎ (UTC)

Gilbert du Motier, marquis de Lafayette → Marquis de Lafayette[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. The arguments opposed to moving are significantly stronger than those who wish to rename. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Gilbert du Motier, marquis de LafayetteMarquis de Lafayette –, per WP:COMMMONNAME. The proposed form is used by Encyclopedia of World Biography and by The Oxford Companion to American Military History. Hundreds of books use it in their titles. This ngram suggests that "Marquis de Lafayette" is vastly more common than any version of the name that includes "Gilbert du Motier." Contemporaries also used the proposed form, as you can see here.relisted --Mike Cline (talk) 14:17, 21 March 2012 (UTC) Kauffner (talk) 13:42, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Support per WP:Mouthful. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. Gilbert du who? I like to saw logs! (talk) 07:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment according to this article, the marquisate existed before Gilbert du Motier, since his father held the title as well. So there seems to be a missing article on the title and exactly when it was raised. 70.24.251.71 (talk) 11:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- With very few exceptions, an article such as the target should be an article on all holders of the title, not merely the most notable. At present we do not have such an article, but the space (currently a redirect to the most notbale holder) should be left for a list article on all title-holders. When created, the list artile would need a hatnote for the present redirect. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment. Marquis de Lafayette is already a redirect to this article. La Fayette family is supposed to be the title article here, but it does not tell you much of anything. Even in terms of British dukedoms, there is already a Duke of Wellington (title) and a Duke of Marlborough (title). As for marquis titles, very few get their own articles. Why would a title automatically take priority over other meanings of a term? It is certainly not the most likely desired topic, at least not in this situation. Kauffner (talk) 15:06, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
    • Comment but it isn't it doesn't cover the marquis title, only the descendants of Gilbert, who changed their surname to La Fayette. 65.92.180.188 (talk) 04:11, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Peterkingiron's arguments above and per my arguments on Lafayette elsewhere. FactStraight (talk) 20:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Reply. Based on your earlier comments, it is not obvious why you would oppose this RM. Are you suggesting that the lemma Marquis de Lafayette should lead to an article other than this one? Quite frankly, I think that would confuse a lot of readers. (Over 5,400 a month, to be exact.) Kauffner (talk) 00:36, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose His common name is not "Marquis of Lafayette" but just "Lafayette". I had heard of him, knew a little about him, but did not realise that he was a marquis. We already have a similar situation with several British people e.g. Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston, "Lord Palmerston" already redirects there, many people who have heard of him will not know his surname. PatGallacher (talk) 10:53, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Peterkingiron. -DJSasso (talk) 14:24, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per PatGallacher: I think WP:COMMONNAME actually supports a move to Lafayette instead. Regards SoWhy 20:19, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
    As second reference, maybe, but not on first reference. Just because he's recognizable without first name doesn't mean we omit it or title, when that is how someone is commonly known on first reference, e.g. Robespierre, Saint-Simon, Goethe, Münchhausen, etc. FactStraight (talk) 00:15, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. The main reason for the Bob Smith, Duke of X titling format is because multiple people were the Duke of X, so just calling them the Duke of X (as is often common in the time) isn't specific enough. I'm not aware of any vaguely notable Marquis de Lafayette other than, well, the Marquis de Lafayette, and practically nobody knows the Gilbert du Motier name. Agree that just "Lafayette" has something of an argument, but "Marquis de Lafayette" is better than the current title. So. SnowFire (talk) 02:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Weak support, per RM request; I like the conciseness too. There is a potential problem with moving an article about an individual to a title held by that individual, if others may have held the same title - but as far as I can tell, this one is much more notable. If moved I'd want some kind of hatnote or some other arrangement so that readers landing on this page could easily find his father Michel du Motier, Marquis de La Fayette. bobrayner (talk) 14:17, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

WTF - opinon? this what wikiledia does NOW????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.163.218.6 (talk) 21:13, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Pacman 3.0????[edit]

What is this event? A (bad) joke? (it figured in the list of battles but I had no idea of how to delete it) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.27.100.115 (talk) 13:58, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Tidying up the streets[edit]

Streets named after Lafayette were listed in two places in the "honors" section, so I have combined these, and added ulice Lafayettova, the street named after Lafayette, close to the prison where he was held in Olomouc, Czech Republic. Gordoncph (talk) 07:52, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

In the same spirit, I can report that there is a motorway service station named in Lafayette's honour on the A75 motorway south of Clermont Ferrand. This service station is the motorway service area closest to Lafayette's home in Auvergne.Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 00:52, 19 March 2013 (UTC)