Talk:Gilgit–Baltistan

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Recent changes[edit]

Will User:Atelerix explain why he keeps changing a cited version of this article to an uncited one? Darkness Shines (talk) 15:44, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi User:Atelerix. I've reverted your edits as it's not clear to me how they're improving the article. I'd like to hear your side as well. Could you give us a sketch here as to what you're trying to do? Thanks! Lesser Cartographies (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Just a note that Atelerix is blocked for 24 hours for edit warring. I did try initiating a discussion on the user's talk page, to no avail. If the user comes back from the block and starts reverting again, I believe we should just ask for another block, as we simply need this user to discuss why they keep removing sources. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:14, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

POK and IOK[edit]

[Copied from User talk:Kautilya3]

Do you agree that all Indian administered Kashmir be called IOK and Pakistan administered Kashmir as POK ? Delljvc (talk) 12:38, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

@Delljvc: No, "occupied" is a loaded term. We tend to say "administered" on Wikipedia. Wherever the term "occupied" occurs on our pages, it needs to be replaced by "administered". However, if we are citing a source and the source uses the term "occupied", we can't substitute that with something else. I noticed that you were replacing the titles of the newspaper articles to be different from what they were. We don't do that. Kautilya3 (talk) 13:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Delljvc and Kautilya3, editors have gone over this repeatedly. Either add the POV terms of all sides in all articles or not add at all in any of them and use neutral terms like 'administered' or controlled (if in context). You can see the consensus here (editors from all sides participated) Talk:Azad Kashmir/Archives/2012/December. Hopefully this will end the moot discussion. Simply put PoK / IoK as a terminology or claims in Kashmir dispute and refrain from adding them (esp to the lede) of the three territory articles. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:14, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
@TopGun: Exactly. You will see from this diff that that is what my version was doing. On the other hand, the version you have reinstated [1] has all of Delljvc's POV. So, can you self-revert? Kautilya3 (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
@TopGun: By the way, Gilgit-Baltistan is not included as part of "Pakistan" in the Pakistan constitution. So, calling it a "territory of Pakistan" is POV. I changed it to "territory of Pakistan-administered Kashmir", which should not have an objection from anybody. Kautilya3 (talk) 14:38, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
It was already linked to Pakistani "administrative" territories. What you were saying was already there. Maybe you missed it. Saying it again and again in the same sentence doesn't make sense but I wont oppose you if you want to re-add just that (but is it really needed?). My main reason for the revert was all the other additions of PoK that you added. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
@TopGun: I am afraid I am not getting through to you. I am copying this discussion to the article page, which is where it belongs, and asking for WP:DRN. Kautilya3 (talk) 15:07, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
@Delljvc: @TopGun: This issue is now referred to DRN. Please see [2].
Hey.. I just realized I was reading the diffs through the highlighted markup only and after seeing some new editors recently reverting PoK in other articles, I didn't notice that the word PoK was in the citation's title and not in the content. I would have self reverted, had I noticed earlier; instead I was debating of not including PoK it in the content and sticking to neutrality with 'administered' as discussed numerous times. And I just saw where I was wrong after reading another editor's comment on my talkpage. I guess I've been a bit out of touch with the wiki markup. If it's just that you oppose, I guess there's no dispute. But if you also want to include the title citation refers in the content, I would oppose that (hopefully that's not the case and it was just a mess up from myside). --lTopGunl (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
No problem. Misunderstandings happen! Perhaps, you can add a note on the WP:DRN referral that you agree with the changes and they can close the issue.
@TopGun: The only change I have made is to change "territory of Pakistan" in the lead to "territory of Pakistan-administered Kashmir". This change is because AJK and GB are not listed as part of "Pakistan" in the Pakistan constitution, whereas a "territory" of a country is normally understood to be its part. I could also settle for "administered territory of Pakistan" if that sounds more neutral to you. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 17:09, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't really have a problem with using administered (if you see I am actually favouring it). What I was saying was it is being referred to in the same sentence twice. The last suggest seems more sensible imo according to my previous comments, I wouldn't really oppose the current version too though it's a bit less elegant. For the PoK edits, I guess it was fixation from another dispute at AJK. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:16, 24 October 2014 (UTC)