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Most frequent monster co-star appearences[edit]

Updated the numbers of appearances (namely, added Minilla to the list), will do the rest later.FreakyFrogThing 05:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Filmography[edit]

The "alternate Japanese titles" listing is a complete waste of space. As we all know, the Japanese titles can be translated in many different ways, are there is no true standard. Thusly, even mentioning the translations of the Japanese titles should be left to the pages which describe the actual films. ~ Teh Xilian 00:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

The Start[edit]

The intentions of this page is to be a hub for all the film articles and to cut down on the content in the Godzilla article. The original Godzilla article will now focus on Godzilla the character and this article with then pick up the slack in regards of cultural content and the like.

This page still needs heavy editing but this is a start. --DyslexicDan 00:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Making this part of WikiProject Films[edit]

I believe this should be part of WikiProject Films instead of the Godzilla page but I’m not sure how to go about this --DyslexicDan 00:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

They are both a part WP:FILMS. Cbrown1023 16:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Other Monsters' Solo Movies[edit]

Under the heading "Shōwa Godzilla Series (昭和ゴジラシリーズ) 1954–1975":

"The Showa period saw the addition of many monsters into the Godzilla continuity, many of which (Mothra, Rodan, Ghidorah had their own solo movies. "

I think this sentence implies that Ghidorah starred in a movie as the sole Kaiju, which is not true. If the following sentence is meant to clarify the above statement, I think it's a little murky. I'll just edit the first sentence, since I'm unclear of the 2nd's intent. The Shrike 16:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I gave up and deleted both sentences. As I tried to reword them I realized I was unclear of either sentences intent, as the information seemed slightly irrelevant. The Shrike 17:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Godzilla Final Box[edit]

In the 20th issueof gmr on page 28, there is a small artical about a relise of 27 Godzilla movies (Godzilla - Tokyo S.O.S) and that it includes a slot for Final Wars. It says it was released in Japan on April 22, 2005 for 99, 750 yen ($922). Should any of this be mentioned in the artilce?--LRO 20:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)Liraoq 05:57, 22 July 2006

Name Origin[edit]

Tried to clean up the origin on the name Gojira, and at least make it mesh with the Godzilla Character page!

2008 Godzilla Film[edit]

That's a load of hooey. I'll delete it later because no such project exists. --74.134.250.241 00:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Godzilla 3-d to the MAX? yeah it does idiot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.51.60 (talk) 01:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that section has been deleted, which means the project is now dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.69.158 (talk) 07:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms[edit]

There needs to be a mention of The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms. This movie predated godzilla by two years and was a prehistoric dinosaur that wakes up after nuclear testing and goes on to attack a city. 75.199.211.209 (talk) 00:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)tlhowell1970@gmail.com

the best from 20,000 fathoms is the thing that inspired godzilla it should be meanchoned but not like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.62.88 (talk) 21:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Unmade godzilla movies[edit]

should we meanchon unmade movies such as

  • 1972-Godzilla vs. hitodah
  • 1972-Godzilla vs. redmoon
  • 1972(How many movies did they drop in one year)-Godzilla vs. hedorah 2
  • 1978-Godzilla vs. satan
  • 1978-Spacegodzilla
  • 1978-(Again?)-king of the monsters, return of godzilla
  • 1989-Godzilla 2
  • 1992-The return of king ghidirah
  • 1992-Godzilla vs. king kong
  • 1992-Godzilla vs. mechini-kong

if you want proof or more info check tohokingdom.com 71.208.62.88 (talk) 21:40, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Learn how to spell, dumbass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cabbage-Sama (talkcontribs) 18:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Godzilla film chart[edit]

Big Five[edit]

Since so many of the various Godzilla character articles are so small, I propose that we keep the character articles for the big five: Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, King Ghidorah and Mechagodzilla, and that we merge all the remaining articles into List of Godzilla Series Monsters.

Thoughts?

K00bine (talk) 00:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts, yeah I have thoughts, first A B S O L U T E L Y N O T! Second, the characters deserve their own pages! Third, Angirus is a bigger Monster Superstar than Mechagodzilla!

Godzilla 3-D to the MAX[edit]

Okay listen people! Unless you can show me and the whole world proof that 3-D is gone, you guys are going to haft to wait until fall, because the movie was scheduled and probably still is scheduled to Summer 2009! Now please, either put the section back or show me that IMAX is done for. 75.166.9.77 (talk) 23:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

So, is it canceled?[edit]

With Godzilla-3-D-Imax pretty much done in dirt (so far i can tell), and Godzilla Final Wars being titled...Godzilla...Final Wars, and that movie being the 50th Anniversary is Godzilla canceled? Or are Godzilla 3-D and the 2014 movies real? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.14.116 (talk) 19:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

They're all a lie. Although there have been rumors of a Godzilla Broadway musical coming in Fall 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.87.211 (talk) 04:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.97.219.33 (talk) 17:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

What happened to biollante and megalon's pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.86.130 (talk) 23:00, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

film titles[edit]

so it seems this article does a really good job at breaking out the eras in Godzilla films however, for some reason this article doesnt list what films belong in each era. If someone has this information, could you please add it? 192.155.57.15 (talk) 15:26, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Godzilla - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 14:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Comic-Con 2012[edit]

Not sure what can be added with this but here: http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3154136/omfg-see-the-new-godzilla-now-we-also-have-video-of-the-comic-con-panel/ There is a lot of talk about them showing stuff at Comic-Con this year. -71.70.142.240 (talk) 14:20, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

A poster and someone thinks they saw a giant centipede. Seems pretty trivial and not worth mentioning here. Please only add reliably sourced facts. Barsoomian (talk) 03:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Someone already added it, with a source. -71.70.142.240 (talk) 17:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Separate article for Godzilla 2014[edit]

We have plenty of information, including director, writers, teaser poster, two confirmed monsters, release date and 3D. I know it would be small, but I feel like this probably would benefit from a separate article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.253.197 (talk) 14:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

When there is confirmation they've started shooting the film. See WP:NFF: "Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles." Since they don't even seem to have any actual actors yet, that doesn't seem to have happened. Barsoomian (talk) 19:06, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I concur with Barsoomian. This project was announced in 2009. We had a discussion last year about a stand-alone article, and the consensus was against one because filming had not started. The release date was purported at the time to be 2012. Filming still has not begun, and we cannot assume it will anytime soon. It is kind of like Jurassic Park IV in that regard; promises but never reality. If filming gets underway, a stand-alone article can be had. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

It may be yet be too soon, but considering they've already showed film, it's not far off. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 04:03, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I looked up what you were referring to, and it looks like a teaser trailer before filming has even begun. It's an improvement from the concept art that they showed a while ago, but it's still not a lock. Projects like this are too easily scrapped before the camera starts rolling. Erik (talk | contribs) 13:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

As for the title, I think it's pretty unlikely it will be just "Godzilla". It'll be something like the last Spider-Man remake, add some adjective to differentiate it. So I have reverted the changes of heading to "Godzilla (2014)" pending confirmation that that is the real title, and 2014 is the real release year. Neither of these are more than guesses or estimates at this stage. Barsoomian (talk) 16:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

The poster for the film uses only 'Godzilla'. here It is also what it is listed as on IMDB [1]. Also, you could apply the same logic to 'reboot'. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 16:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
A couple of years ago fans (including you, I think) were saying we should have the article "Godzilla (2012)" because that's what IMDB said then. IMDB is full of wishful thinking, we have to be more cautious. And the poster is just a teaser poster, they have to put a title on it but it's not binding. They're still writing the script. The film is at least two years away. Next year it may still be two years away. "Reboot" is not a title, it's a description. Barsoomian (talk) 02:31, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
As I said, "Reboot" is speculative too. It might not be a reboot, following your logic, as it's not been filmed and released yet. It's been publicized by Legendary as "Godzilla", so using their title should not be objectionable. Whether it changes title or release date, is a matter of process and editing. Myself and others are quite happy to keep it up to date. As to my thoughts on a separate article, which you seem to have an issue with, I've agreed to follow wp:film's guidelines, (because basically the history of the production have been allowed to be completely covered in this article, otherwise it would be quite objectionable) but the topic of the film/production has had enough coverage on its own to be considered notable according to wikipedia policy. It's been covered thoroughly in the media. You should keep that in mind. Also, I am certain that even an article on a failed film production can be of value to and within Wikipedia. As to myself, I may be a fan of Godzilla, but it is only a small fraction of my editing on Wikipedia. I've been editing here for six years and have thousands of edits. So, lay off. I am not just a "fan", I do know the rules and I try to keep an encyclopedic POV, but I try to keep an open mind. Project guidelines can lead to silliness. The ultimate might be the never-ending debate on the capitalization of bird article titles at wp:redirect. Guidelines vs. policy. I find this 'separate article' debate to be silly too. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 14:37, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
If it makes you happy, change the subhead back. It's bound to be wrong, but there isn't a policy against being gullible, then you can occupy yourself changing it and all the crossreferences every time they push the date back or when they announce the real title. But if you try to start an article before filming commences, that contradicts WP:NFF. No matter how many T-shirts they sold at Comic-Con. Barsoomian (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I won't create a new article. Even though NFF is a guideline and WP:GNG is policy, it's not worth the debate for consensus. We went through that before. I do understand why NFF is in place. And that's reasonable. I'm not going to upset the apple cart. In the long-term scheme of things, waiting for filming to start is not too long to wait. As I said, this article is fine for the time being. There are redirects in place that all go to this one place, (Godzilla (franchise)#American reboot) so we're good. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 18:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
"GNG" = "General Notability Guideline". It's not a "policy". Anyway, on the Wikipedia:Notability page it directs you to WP:NF for films, and that includes the Future films section. It's not like I invented any of this, but it's very unambiguous. Barsoomian (talk) 18:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. I was thinking of the birds debate in my wording. GNG always applies and does not need NF, whereas NF is weaker. I believe NF was written to allow film articles, but it gets used also to exclude, which is unlike other notability guidelines. The section "Future films, incomplete films, and undistributed films" really should be some sort of project guideline, not a notability guideline. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 22:53, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
"whereas NF is weaker" [citation needed] NF is just the film-specific part of GNG, it's no less significant for actually mentioning "films". Barsoomian (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Under general principles of WP:NF - "The general notability guideline states, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." The link to the main article explains each criterion. For topics related to film, some may not readily meet all the criteria."

So if you can pass NF, then you can have an article and not have to demonstrate GNG. I guess you didn't know this? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 14:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Under Other evidence of notability of WP:NF - "A topic related to film may not meet the criteria of the general notability guideline, but significant coverage is not always possible to find on the Internet, especially for older films."

I guess you did not know this either? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 14:27, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I read it all, years ago. I fail to see what this has to do with proving your assertion that "NF is weaker". I see why you'd like that to be true, as the loopholes you are trying to squeeze through were closed quite unambiguously by WP:NFF, no doubt due to others raising similar arguments in times of yore. Barsoomian (talk) 15:59, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
It's no 'loophole' to have GNG. That's just weird. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
GNG isn't a loophole, that's an absurd statement and I never said that. You are trying to create a loophole from selected parts of it, while ignoring the specifics in NF and NFF, which is part of GNG. Basically, you want to rewrite NF. You need to argue it there, not here. Barsoomian (talk) 19:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
WP:NFF and WP:GNG should be read in tandem, one does not trump the other, but WP:NFF was written with future films in mind. The project still may never happen and for this reason, as has been argued in many places, many times before, WP:NFF is a sensible guideline. There's no common sense reason to make an exception, so we should follow WP:NFF here. --Rob Sinden (talk) 08:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

American productions[edit]

It seems arbitrary to include Godzilla, the King of Monsters in the list of American productions, considering there were other movies edited for American release. Thoughts? -Joltman (talk) 16:20, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

On the face of it, it seems reasonable to include it, as there were additional scenes shot, etc., but if you think it could be expanded with other films, why not go for it! --Rob Sinden (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
KOTM was made in California. Were the others similar? ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 21:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Like GKOTM, the American sequences for King Kong vs Godzilla and Varan (which like GKOTM, featured American actors in newly shot scenes not in the original Japanese versions of those films) were also shot in California. And I believe that was the case for the American version of the first Gamera film as well. (I know its not Toho but still). Giantdevilfish (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, there needs to be something that makes it clear that King of the Monsters etc. were not made in America. The table for American productions is very misleading at the moment.137.222.209.19 (talk) 10:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

These were made in America. Where is that not clear? This does not take away from the fact that they used the original Toho materials. They were not simply 'dubs' or subtitled versions. They used a lot of new material. It's important to show that the Toho and US productions are distinct. There are separate articles on the productions. Alaney2k (talk) 14:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
They're edited Japanese films, not original productions. There should at least be a footnote to highlight which ones are Japanese films with added footage.137.222.209.19 (talk) 16:07, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
I have added that note to the table. Alaney2k (talk) 15:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Furthermore, additional scenes were added for other films such as Godzilla Raids Again (Gigantis the Fire Monster), so it's not even consistent at the moment. It's very misleading to someone who doesn't know the history of the films, so I will remove the American products which are edits aside from King of the Monsters due to its significance for the franchise.137.222.209.19 (talk) 10:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I think then, we can add Gigantis, if it is on the level of the other movies. Alaney2k (talk) 18:55, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't think we should add Gigantis to the list of American productions. It's a dubbed, edited version of the original Japanese version, no different from the US version to Mothra vs. Godzilla. It is not an American production because it does not include any exclusive footage shot for the US release, it only features stock footage borrowed from previous American films. The discussion so far has been centered on distinguishing the Toho & US productions within these films. The US version of Godzilla Raids Again did not have an American production like GKOTM, King Kong vs. Godzilla or Varan did so I don't believe Gigantis meets the criteria of having an American production like GKOTM or King Kong vs. Godzilla did. Armegon (talk) 21:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining your edit. Please remember to put stuff like that in your edit summaries. I just want to get it right and editing without summaries can look like edit warring. An anon editor has been reverting without explanation also. To the point though, why would you not think that the level of changes that were made is not enough to call it a 'production'? I haven't done a comparison lately but if the plot is changed, is that not enough? It wasn't simply dubbing the film and having to redo the sound, they went much further than that. I mean, really, they didn't want people to think it was Godzilla. Alaney2k (talk) 23:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
You are right, the US version did go through some significant changes but it still doesn't justify it as an "American production". Godzilla 2000 went through similar, not the same, but similar changes for its US release in terms of editing but it has not been considered or even been called an American production by Sony. Other Kaiju films too have gone through similar re-edits that differed significantly from their original Japanese counterparts like Gamera vs. Barugon, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Frankenstein Conquers The World, Yongary '67, and the most heavily edited of them all, Terror of Mechagodzilla. We should reconsider how Gigantis meets the same criteria as GKOTM & King Kong vs. Godzilla that allowed them to be included into the American productions section. Armegon (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Official titles[edit]

I was wondering where we could look up "official" titles for the films, so we could cite them. Alaney2k (talk) 15:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

This might be a good one. This is an official publication from Toho and even features the title Gigantis for the English title. http://www.willardswormholes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Front.jpg Armegon (talk) 21:42, 1 August 2014 (UTC)