Talk:Gogeta

Gogeta VS Vegetto?

Actually Gogeta is formed by the use of the Porunga earings, Vegetto's superior powerlevel is only a result of the fact that he appears later on when both Goku's and Vegeta's powerlevels are higher.

Do you mean Vegeto is formed by the use of the ear rings? Vegeto - ear ring; GAY GAY GAY

And no, Vegetto is simply a more powerful fusion. potarra ear rings let you reach the highest level both have reached. When Goten and Trunks fuse, they have to relearn how to go Super Saiyan while in fused form. This mistake is made countless times in this article, along with other groundless speculation.

Actually, the ear ring is not more powerful, just more effective as it does not have a time limit. I believe the elder Kaioshin did state that. There's also no solid proof that the highest SSJ level they can reach via earring fusion is the one that both users can use. There was no need for Vegitto to turn SSJ3 at all, as he was powerful enough to beat Super Buu already in SSJ2.

That line about the dance not allowing access to all of the users techniques is groundless. There's nothing to suggest they don't know their old moves or can't recall them. In fact Gotenks has even more moves than either of his bases.

I really think that Vegetto actually resembles Goku more than Vegeta, and likewise Gogeta is more like Vegeta. This is because Gogeta has a widow's peak, as well as the hair is in his pattern of flared backwards. Vegetto's face is more similar to Goku's as it doesn't have a widow's peak and also has separate locks of hair. And I do believe that Gogeta isn't as strong as Vegetto considering that Goku has to match Vegeta's (lower) power level for a sucessful fusion. Vegetto is formed when the two power up to their highest level.

can someone explain why is inferior to vegeto?

gogeta in dragonball GT is far more stronger than vegeto who appeared in Z

Actually it is stated that Protara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance, not just the time limit advantage, the fusion is more powerful. but the major floor to it is once transed it cannot be reverted from that transformation which is stated by elder kai, the super saiyan 4 fusion is stronger than the protara fusion from the buu saga but that is due to increased power through time, if they fused then with protara that fusion would be as strong but not able to beat it as the protara fusion would not go ssj4 because if they became tired they would be unable to revert from the higher levels of super saiyan

Hey, wouldn't Gogeta SSJ be canon to GT since Vegeta knew the fusion dance in GT without practicing?

^^you guys need to use the four tildes (~) after your done. Vegetto has a better fusion build up, he used the earrings instead of the dance. Old Kai might be exagerating, but he said ther earrings were a hundred times better. The earrings are undoubtedly better, the downside being that it is permanant. The earrings (nor the dance) don't simply combine the two's powers in one body-- both enhance the sum by an unknown factor, creating a super powered warrior. The earrings have a higher factor. True, Goku and Vegeta were stronger in GT, but we're talking about on an even playing field. Vegetto is superior to Gogeta, and if they used the earrings against Janemba or Li Shenlong they would've been more powerful than Gogeta. Vegetto is superior, but since there are unknown factors, we don't know exactly how strong each fusor was. P.S. 4(~) does this: 01:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

thanks for the clarification

Yup, no problem. Thanks for asking. Remember the 4 tildes (~), you should use them whenever you are posting on discussion pages. You don't have this or something similar after your post: Infinare 02:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Calling Goku and Vegeta the "greatest Saiyans ever" sounds more than a little biased. Some may argue that Broly is better due to his innate power. Obviously our two heroes go on to surpass him, but the definition of greatness is to loose to be sold as a factual title nonetheless.

How's this instead: End Transmission

Article Cleanup

• Wiki-star: This article if very disorganized. I know alot about Gogeta, but i have never watched his movie fight with Janemba. I need more information on that fight befor i myself can begin to clean up and organize this article. Until then, i would really hope if anyone would like to volunteer in helping cleaning this artilce and organize it better. Thanks!

Wiki-star 04:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I have just re-organised most of this article as best I can. As i have yet to see Movie 12 and DBGT Episode 60, would it be okay if someone could add to those sections, as well as pictures for the special abilities. If anyone wishes to change this material for the better, go straight ahead

Brad92 10:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone really needs to fix the grammar in this page. 67.68.12.31 23:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Just to clean all of your questions up:

1.) The Potara Earrings are a stronger fusion than the Fusion Dance.
2.) Gogeta (Movie 12) is stronger than Vegetto because Goku and Vegeta both fused at SS2's. And, Vegetto's highest form is Super Saiyan. So, they're powers are pretty close. (But when Gogeta turns SS4, it's no contest.)

Just keep in mind, Vegetto didn't use a higher form because he didn't need to. Why strain your body and increase the drain on your ki for no reason? He had Buu 100% outclassed as it was. Seeing as how Potara is more potent than the dance, and the dance allows it's users, with practice, to use any powers they both had and to easily learn new techs/transformations...well it would be ludicrous to assume that the potara wouldn't allow them to do the same. Onikage725 02:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Does the article really need a section on Gogeta's appearance? There is a picture of him on there so you can already see what he looks like. Besides, describing how he looks is really more a matter of opinion, anyway. The writer/s of that section beleive he looks like "far more" like Goku, but I think that he actually ressembles Vegeta more prominently. The widows peak, the triangular shape of his hair, the slanted eyes and eyebrows, and his overall stance makes me beleive he looks like Vegeta.

I agree. It should be the other way around. Vegetto looks like Goku and Gogeta looks lke Vegeta. If were going to keep "Appearance", it should be switched. Sasuke-kun27 21:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Not really. It's POV. Best to not mention it at all.--KojiDude ^{(viva la BAM!)} 22:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 2

There should be no Super Saiyan 2 section. At all. It is pure speculation and false facts. Stop adding it. --KojiDude (talk) 04:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Canon?

It is stated that Gogeta is not considered to be canonical. While he never appears in DBZ, he does appear in GT. Dragon Ball GT is an extension, or like the next season after DBZ, so I don't see why Gogeta is not canonical. If anyone can explain this to me, then please do.

Dragon Ball GT is non-canon. It has numerous plot holes, and technically couldn't have happened since Pilaf was alive. You might consider GT and Fusion Reborn canon, but the mojarity of people don't, thus Gogeta is non-canon to the original manga/anime. I hope this clears it up for you.--KojiDude 23:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Stop saying GT is non-canon, fans can have their own opinions but just because a majority of the fans don't consider it canon doesn't it make it non-canon. Even with numerous plot-holes it is still canon, like Gohan turning super saiyan, whoever said he couldn't? Elder Kai just said he wouldn't have to and I personally consider Gogeta canon because Vegeta knew the fusion dance in GT.

Pilaf was alive. He couldn't have been alive due to the fact that Buu blew up the whole planet. When Dende wished for the people of Earth to come back to life, he wished for only the good guys to return. Unless you have proof that Pilaf was somewhere else at the time of the explosion and didn't die, Goku couldn't have been wished into a kid and none of this would have happened. Sasuke-kun27 20:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Vegeta knowing the dance is another plot hole, scince Fusion Reborn doesn't fit into the TV series' canon.--KojiDude 20:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Who detrermines whether or not a series is cannon? Not that I'm taking sides, of course. I simply am curious about it. Is it the fan base who gets to decide or is it the creator of the show?

If I'm correct, the original creator. Sasuke-kun27 23:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Sasuke is right. The creator decides what is canon, and if the creator dies, whomever holds the most rights to the show decides.--KojiDude 23:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

How could Gogeta possibly be canon if his story dont fit in anywhere. Take Fusion Reborn for instance. It's supposedly set during the buu saga right after Goku goes back to the afterlife.How could Goku be in a tournament when we see him, in the series and manga, go straight to King Yemma's office. Secondly, wouldnt Goten and Trunks be busy perfecting fusion or atleast be fighting Buu? Next, how the hell can Gohan be on earth when he's supposed to be on Supreme Kias planet, training with the z-sword? None of it fits with the series. And as Sasuke-kun and KojiDude stated, theres no way Pilaf could be alive! So how the hell can Gogeta be considered canon when his story dont fit in with the series. Also how does hitler fit into all this?-138.88.90.164 08:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

First of, calm down. It's okay, we're just disscussing it. I was simply curious to as to whether or not Gogeta was cannon, and was reffering more to the GT saga rather than the movie that Gogeta is showed in. But, I guess that with all the technical errors, then he must not be cannon. Allthough, it would be possible for Gogeta to be a real character. Since he is formed from Goku and Vegeta doing the fusion dance, he can be made. Just 'cause they never show them fusing in that way doesn't mean that it's not possible. However, I guess that is just speculation and you cant' officially call him cannon if he never appeares in a cannonical series.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.114.111.187 (talk • contribs)

Sorry. I am calm, now. Your right. They could've done it.-138.88.90.164 22:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Veku?

Why is Fat Gogeta called "Veku" in the article? Only one person referred to Fat Gogeta as "Veku" which was South Kaio who was being facetious at the time. The term "Veku" suggests the Vegeta is dominant in that fusion form, which is not true. It is still Gogeta because Goku is still dominant in the botched version. It's just a botched Gogeta.

I suggest that he should be referred to as "Fat Gogeta" as he most commonly is amongs DBZ fans. Full Shunyata 05:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

... kinda old but... How does the name 'Veku' imply the Vegeta is dominant?... Does Gotenks imply that goten is dominant? (always seemed the opposite, Gotenks seemed to act more like Trunks to me)

Lock

Can this page be temporarily locked until repairs are complete? There appears to have been a recent vandalization of the page. Full Shunyata 21:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah theres somthing weird going on, som1 keeps changing it to Super 5 som1 else keeps changing to super 4 and someone put the truth and it got changed, whats going on here?

Category:Fictional hybrids

Should Gogeta really be in this category? He is a blend of two people, but they're the same species. Vegeta and Goku are both fully Saiyan so Gogeta must be fully Saiyan. -- Noneofyourbusiness 15:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)