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Goh's tenure[edit]

@Seloloving, does Wikipedia dictates that sources must use the word as said in the sources? Because I'm pretty sure that's not something that's followed throughout the website. If you don't disagree with the word "benchwarmer", what word should be used instead? MordukhovichAleakin (talk) 18:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@MordukhovichAleakin: I have perused all three articles listed, and none of the articles list him as "benchwarmer" for the Lee family. Even if the phrase is used, is there a more update-to-date source on his legacy that reflects his premiership, and not just after he assumed the position? We judge a position's rule based on their legacy after their rule, not their appointments at the time.

As seen on Lee Kuan Yew, his rule was characterized as "authoritarian", which I had previously added as it's a commonly used phrase on his rule. Seloloving (talk) 18:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - we don't do original research. We merely repeat what is said in reliable sources. If you want to use the term, it must be widely used to have been describe his rule and not just a fringe idea. Seloloving (talk) 18:05, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But these sources strongly hinted that Goh's was just a intermediary leader between LKY and LHL, especially the one whereby it talks about LHL getting cancer back in the 90s and how it might affect the succession. MordukhovichAleakin (talk) 18:13, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's still not a phrase used to describe his rule regardless. That would be WP:SYNTH synthesizing of sources to say something it did not. We don't make individual conclusions; it has to be widely said. Seloloving (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ESM title[edit]

Hello @Sgweirdo: Both of us have been reverting each other on the issue of the ESM title over the last few months. I feel we should probably discuss our respective reasons and perhaps involve other editors in this.

ESM is just an honorary post granted to Goh Chok Tong, very much similar to Minister Mentor to Lee Kuan Yew. Even though it's not a cabinet title, I have seen no indication that it's an honorific prefix. For example, source rarely add His Excellency and The Honourable when referring to individuals. You do not see this in ST, CNA, or any news media articles.

But they do attach the title of one's position such as Prime Minister/Finance Minister/Leader of the Opposition. This makes Emeritus Senior Minister just like any government position. No other article adds the current position to the honorific prefix field. Seloloving (talk) 10:05, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]