Talk:Gothic rock/GA1

GA Review

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Hi. Will start review soon. Kaguya-chan (talk) 22:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   The goth subculture "that includes clubs, various fashion trends and numerous publications that grew in popularity in the 1980s" sounds like it should be mentioned somewhere in the body of the article... and did gothic rock continue? If it did, what are some current artists/ bands associated w/ gothic rock?

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   There are no fair use rationales, specifically for this article, for File:Nicoheroin.JPG, File:Joy Division.JPG, and File:Killing Joke band members 1985.jpg

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   The captions are very short. Also there are a lot of images here. Are they all necessary? Maybe explain the sigificance of the band in the caption?

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

• There is a lot of overlinking in the article. For example, David Bowie is linked twice.
• The web footnotes aren't formatted consistently. Try Template:web cite

Lead:

• "Notable gothic rock bands include Bauhaus, Siouxsie & the Banshees, The Cure, The Sisters of Mercy, and Fields of the Nephilim, among many others" can be changed to "Notable gothic rock bands include Bauhaus, Siouxsie & the Banshees, The Cure, The Sisters of Mercy, and Fields of the Nephilim"
• One paragraph seems short for the lead. Look at Grunge music.
• "Gothic rock (also referred to as goth rock or simply goth)" Source?
• "Gothic rock gave rise to a broader goth subculture that includes clubs, various fashion trends and numerous publications that grew in popularity in the 1980s." Source?

Style, roots and influences

• "Gothic rock typically deals with dark themes addressed through lyrics and the music atmosphere." Source?
• "Nico's 1969 album, The Marble Index, was also particularly influential." How? Explain more, please.

Origins and early development

• "The term "gothic" was initially loosely applied to certain post-punk groups."Source and who were the certain post-punk groups?
• "...much of the fan base came from his milieu" Maybe reword?
• "Southern Death Cult were themselves icons of the scene" You can leave out "themselves"
• Maybe spell out NME?
• "The emerging scene was described as "positive punk" in a February 1983 article in NME" The emerging gothic rock scene?
• "Simon Reynolds speaks of a shift from early Goth to Gothic rock proper, advanced...." I'm confused. So early gothic rock wasn't the same as the gothic rock that came afterwards?

Subsequent developments

• Gothic rock is both capitalized and not capitalized (example:"....which draws on Gothic rock" and "American gothic rock began with....")

References

• A lot of the books are missing ISBNs
• What makes http://sortedmagazine.com/archive/magazine/sordid/attrition.htm a reliable source?

I'm sorry, but I'll have to finish up the review tomorrow. Kaguya-chan (talk) 23:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Will finish review later today. Thanks for being patient! Kaguya-chan (talk) 14:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Overall, this is a very interesting article and a lot of good research was put into it. However, I'm not sure if it is a good article at this point. It doesn't seem to cover the main aspects of the topic. I'm sure that with a little more work, it could be renominated in the future. Look at Punk rock or Grunge music for examples. Kaguya-chan (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

• • "Southern Death Cult were themselves icons of the scene" You can leave out "themselves"

Actually you can leave Southern Death Cult out entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.246.95 (talk) 03:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)