Talk:Gottfried Helnwein

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I've been trying to find a good representation of "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" on the internet and have yet to find one. Is it possible to include one? I'm not sure I understand the notation "three-picture cycle".

re Quotes[edit]

I removed some of the quotes. The remaining I consider important to understanding Helnwein's work.

Copyvio paragraph removed[edit]

I just removed a paragraph from the "Comics and Trivial Art" section because it was all taken word-for-word from Julia Pascal, "Nazi Dreaming", New Statesman, UK, April 10, 2006 (convenience link on Helnwein's own site). If someone can work the same information back into the article in a non-infringing form, that's fine. -- Antaeus Feldspar 21:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


This was clearly labelled as a quote from a newspaper article, with credits to the author and source. Why can I not quote one sentence from an article that has something substantial to say about the wikipedia article? If I would rewrite it in a different wording it wouldn't be a quote anymore. How do you correctly quote a sentence (or small sec†ion) out of a whole article or text? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Curator2000 (talkcontribs) 23:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
Actually, no, it wasn't labelled as a quote at all. This would be one way to do a quote, with a reference:
Commenting on the juxtaposition of pop culture and Nazi iconography in Helnwein's work, a reviewer in the New Statesman said: "It is as if Donald Duck had met Mengele."<ref>Julia Pascal, "Nazi Dreaming", ''New Statesman'', UK, April 10, 2006 [http://www.helnwein.com/presse/local_press/artikel_2630.html]</ref>
That's the easiest way. Another way, sometimes useful with longer quotes, is to use the <blockquote> and </blockquote> tags, like so:
Reviewer Julia Pascal said of Helnwein's work during this period: <blockquote>His earlier series Peinlich ("Embarrassing") - pencil, watercolour and India ink on cardboard - shows a typical 1950s little girl in a pink dress and carrying a comic. Her innocent appeal is destroyed by the gash deforming her cheek and lips. It is as if Donald Duck had met [[Mengele]].<ref>Julia Pascal, "Nazi Dreaming", ''New Statesman'', UK, April 10, 2006 [http://www.helnwein.com/presse/local_press/artikel_2630.html]</ref></blockquote>
which produces
Reviewer Julia Pascal said of Helnwein's work during this period:

His earlier series Peinlich ("Embarrassing") - pencil, watercolour and India ink on cardboard - shows a typical 1950s little girl in a pink dress and carrying a comic. Her innocent appeal is destroyed by the gash deforming her cheek and lips. It is as if Donald Duck had met Mengele.[1]

That's useful if you have a longer quote. However, remember that less is often more: frequently one sentence in the middle of a paragraph will actually be better to use than the entire paragraph. -- Antaeus Feldspar 02:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


OK, Thanks for the information, I will keep that in mind for the future. Curator2000 06:37PM, 9 March (USA)

The Work of an artist and his personal life are two different subjects that can not be mixed arbitrarily.[edit]

The section "Work" examines thoroughly the work of the artist, his professional training, his styles, techniques, his artistic development, his sources of inspirations and the impact his work has on the society and the art community.

Information like "he bought a house in Ireland", who got married there, what the names of his children are, or that he at some point in time might have been a member of some religous sect, are of a different category and belong to a section like "personal life" or "trivia".

wikipediatrix was throwing information like this right into the middle of a section that describes the specific nature of his art-works, his techniques, styles and the subject matters of his paintings. This is nonsequitor and doesn't make sense.

Therefore I revert to the original structure, which in my opinion is very clear and logical.

The previous section title "life and works" though might have been misleading because the entire content only dealt with various aspects of the artist's comlpex work. I corrected that and now the different sections are seperated and clearly defined: Work, Chronology, Personal life, Quotes, Publications...etc..

69.230.221.6 23:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


I agree. This is a good solution. Curator2000 23:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Strange[edit]

Anyone notice on the "fork like" glasses from the album art of Scorpion's Blackout is the same used in Rammstein's Sehnsucht; could this be worth noting? Tazz 00:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 15:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


Thanks, fixed. BChulmers77 —Preceding unsigned comment added by BChulmers77 (talkcontribs) 23:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio[edit]

The short section on the Epiphany is pretty much lifted from the page that it references (Pascal?). One or two words have been altered. I don't know if I can change it, but as it stands it is plagiarism.--Lionelbrits (talk) 02:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


I have changed it to : 'One of the most famous paintings of Helnwein's oeuvre is Epiphany I - Adoration of the Magi, (1996, oil and acrylic on canvas, 210 cm x 333cm, collection of the Denver Art Museum). It is part of a series of three paintings: Epiphany I, Epiphany II (Adoration of the Shepherds), Epiphany III (Presentation at the Temple), created between 1996 and 1998. In Epiphany I, SS officers surround a mother and child group. To judge by their looks and gestures, they appear to be interested in details such as head, face, back and genitals. The arrangement of the figures clearly relates to motive and iconography of the adoration of the three Magi, such as were common especially in the German, Italian and Dutch 15th century artworks. Julia Pascal wrote about this work in the New Statesman: "This Austrian Catholic Nativity scene has no Magi bearing gifts. Madonna and child are encircled by five respectful Waffen SS officers palpably in awe of the idealised, blonde Virgin. The Christ toddler, who stands on Mary's lap, stares defiantly out of the canvas." Helnwein's baby Jesus is often considered to represent Adolf Hitler.[22]'. I think that should be OK.--curator2000 08:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

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Which looks better?[edit]

Which looks better? ~ R.T.G 01:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

  1. ^ Julia Pascal, "Nazi Dreaming", New Statesman, UK, April 10, 2006 [1]