Talk:Government of France

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Former good article Government of France was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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I copy-edited this page. I think it was quite well written, but did my best to resolve the minor grammatical and usage problems that I did manage to find. I tried not to interfere with the very good information contained herein, and hope my edits are acceptable to everyone. There is one issue that I did not touch, though, because I am not sure of it. As I understand it, capital "P"-Parliament refers to the British Parliament exclusively, and so in this case should be replaced by the word "Parlement," which is the French term for the body in question. The reason I hesitate, though, is that little "p"-parliament is the common noun for such a body, and perhaps is capitalised in this context out of its use to refer to a body which demands a proper noun. For now, I left the usage of "Parliament" alone; I only point out this possible revision here and leave it to someone who is more experienced with the subject matter.

Depends. I think that the use of the capital to create a proper noun is context-sentitive. When discussing British policies, sure, Parliament means "the British Parliament". However, when discussing New Zealand's government, "Parliament" means "the Parliament of New Zealand". It follows logically that Parliament in a French context should mean "the French parliament".
In addition, parlement on Wikipedia and in many English texts refers to the ancien régime courts of justice [1]. These have nothing to do with current usage. David.Monniaux 09:55, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

this is so great but i searched how does france make its lows and how they are passed so i really need that so thanks . —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:18, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Content moved from Politics of France. David.Monniaux 10:16, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

GA Re-Review and In-line citations[edit]

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I wonder if Good Article Criteria just includes simply accuracy. Frankly I have seen a lot of crap concerning French political system and government and this is the only time I see something so complete and accurate. Even in French books this is never so good. Alain10 24 December 2006

General views[edit]

I used to be long time aga a French civil servant and I think it is dunb but yo kno this page is excellent. I have reviewed it and added a few details Alain10 24 December 2006

Reading by a professor of Public Law[edit]

I had the article read by a professor of public law. He said the article is very good overall. To summarize the criticism:

  • The diagram has arrows of unclear meaning.
  • The article presents an angelic point of view on certain workings of the government, and includes little criticism on the (ab)use of certain procedures, such as ordinances, the over-use of legislation as opposed to autonomous regulation, etc. Ditto for the current problem of political appointments in higher administration.
    • We'll have to find correct sources for that.
  • Parts of the hierarchy of norms are contentious.
  • Some law manuals should be added to the bibliography (but where to find textbooks of French law accessible to the international public?).

David.Monniaux 17:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I have one opposite view: I believe the strength of this article is that it does not wish to include criticism; it is purely descriptive i.e. encyclopedic. Before criticizing, the point is simply to understand.
Also, his criticism are also contentious: for example, I don't believe that there is an abuse of ordinance; on the contrary, it seems to me that the system has reached a nice equilibrium. The use of ordinance is now mainstream and very good so. Through ordinances, codification has been possible and France is not any more so late in the transposition of European directives.
As regards the fact that some issues are contentious, yes of course, but we cannot present the whole set of arguments and complexities concerning for example the hierarchy of norms in an article like this one. But if somebody wants to write an article on the hierarchy of norms in the French legal system, he is more than welcome.
--Alain10 19:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Why so much vandalism for such a technical article?[edit]

This surprises me and I would like to discuss that. Why is the theme of France and its government so inspiring for vandalism? Any idea?--Alain10 19:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Wrong image for LOLF[edit]

In the "Budget" section: it's a good idea to include an image of the "first page of the LOLF" (facsimile of the actual act). But the image there is wrong (it's the first page of a same-year law on the repression of cults): -- Typewritten (talk) 16:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Important notice[edit]

The government section of the "Outline of France" needs to be checked, corrected, and completed -- especially the subsections for the government branches.

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Please check that this country's outline is not in error.

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Thank you.

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Government of France/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

GA Sweeps: Delisted[edit]

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I believe the article currently has multiple issues that need to be addressed, and as a result, I have delisted the article. A large portion of the article needs additional citations. Add additional citations from a variety of sources to provide a balanced representation of the information present. Perhaps sources can be pulled from the main articles linked to within the article. Look to books, magazines, newspaper articles, other websites, etc. The lead should also be reduced to four paragraphs, see WP:LEAD guidelines. Although the article has been delisted, the article can be return to GA status by addressing the above points. Once sources are added and cleanup is done, I recommend renominating the article at WP:GAN. If you disagree with this assessment, a community consensus can be reached at WP:GAR. If you need clarification or assistance with any of these issues, please contact me on my talk page and I'll do my best to help you out. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 03:54, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Censure motion question[edit]

From the article's introduction:

The cabinet globally, including the Prime Minister, can be revoked by the National Assembly, the lower house of Parliament, through a "censure motion"; this ensures that the Prime Minister is always supported by a majority of the houses.

The censure mechanism ensures that the Prime Minister is supported by the lower house; why does he enjoy the support of the upper house? AxelBoldt (talk) 05:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

the French government is interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:51, 29 July 2013 (UTC)