Talk:Gramophone record

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Why isn't the page about book-and-record, sets included in this article?


The "LP − long playing, SP − single, EP − 12" single or extended play" is wrond, LP is Long play, but SP is standard play, the early 78RPM discs, this is why EP were introduced, the Extended Play could hold more music. EP is basicaly everything that is not SP and LP, most commonly the 7" 45, the 12" maxi-single, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:50, 20 April 2014 (UTC) I tried to fix it, but the edit was reverted. And if you need a source:[1] Page 2. (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

You might want to check more than one reference to see what the proper terms are. The term "Standard Play" was not often used for vinyl discs; it has much stronger established usage as the normal (fastest) speed of VHS tape, the other two speeds being LP and EP.
Regarding "Standard Play", here are some other references:
I regard the first and last books to be of higher authority, as the authors specifically talk about the term. However, you can see that our reliable sources contradict each other. Some say the "Standard Play" is a 78 rpm shellac disc made electrically. Some say the "Standard Play" is a 45 rpm vinyl microgroove single. There is no simple answer. Binksternet (talk) 20:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Constand misusing of clear terms, I own few shellacs AND 78rpm vinyl they have written on the Standard Play, the reason why it is called Standard, is that 78rpm became the standarized speed. as for 45rpm record, this is Extended Play (first source). The unfortunate thing is, that despite LP being used to describe Album, everyone instinclively know that LP is a 33rpm 12" (usually) vinyl record and Album, is a release of certain length (over 25 minutes in UK), but not many people realise that what they call EP is actually a mid-length Album, a Mini-Album, while EP technically means 45rpm record, LP, EP and SP are types of vinyl on the same basis, as CD, DVD, Blu-Ray, are types of Optical disc and VHS, Reel, etc are types of tapes, we cannot use those interchangably to retain the precission of nomenclature and clearance of database. I have been talking with many artists regarding EP/Mini-Album and all of them agreed, that they use EP to call short albums and LP for long albums, but this doesn't make those released physically LPs and EPs. As for SP, SP is Standard Play and Single is Single, SP is a type of vinyl, but Single is a general type of music release, not nessesarly vinyl, as an example [2] Both EP and Single are used, EP describes a type of vinyl (45ropm) paired with diameter and Single indicates that the release is a Single taken from an Album, in this case "Live at the End...", on which this track originally appears, the same with Mayhem's Psywar, the vinyl is called EP, because it is 45rpm, but the Psywar itself is a single (this is the reply the band gave me when I asked if Psywar is EP or Single). But unfortunately there isn't much tightness in the industry as I read your links, which makes me even more determined to convince people to user proper nomenclature. Beside, EP format is used mainly for Singles and short albums, but there are 7"LP Mini-Albums as well, perfect example is Magical Mystery Tour it is regarded as Album, while in the USA it was released on LP with bonus tracks, but it was released as set of two 7"EP vinyls in the UK, but still this is the same MMT release and this still is an album. (talk) 09:22, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Nothing you've written suggests that SP is a term that applies to a 33 or 45 rpm record, nor have EP or LP ever applied to 78s that I can see... so by your terms, SP, LP, and EP are not all on the same axis the way they are for, say, VHS tape. And your "talking with many artists" is original research.
But in any case, it is not Wikipedia's job to "convince people to user [sic] proper nomenclature". It is Wikipedia's job to report on information found in reliable sources. If multiple equally-reliable (or approximately so) sources say different things, WP policy is to report what the various sources say. It isn't our job to pick one and denigrate the others. In this case, clearly those sources describe, and ample examples abound of, inconsistent use of "EP", so we should report that. Editors who are on a mission to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS usually have short, unhappy careers here. Jeh (talk) 10:21, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
So you mean I will meet a fate of Giordano Bruno, if I try to fix those terms? But seriously, LP is a Long Play, EP is Extended Play and SP is a Standard play, it is written on plenty of vinyl sleeves, and ALL of them have soecific connection to the speeds of 33rpm, 45rpm and 78rpm, on the sleeves it is written "78rpm Standard Play record", or "33rpm Long Play", etc, those ters (LP, EP and SP) are bound to their speeds, as created, patented and introduced by respective companies, LP by Columbia Records, EP by RCA and SP, well, I can't remember who standarized the speed to 78rpm to make Standard Play (this is why it is called Standard), it is common sense, not my personal research, those informations are even only based on what is written on wikipedia. Also, please do not mix vinyl types (LP, EP, SP) with types of music release (Album, Mini-Album and Single) those types can be released on various vinyl types, albums on LPs, EPs and SPs, Singles on LPs, EPs and SPs, etc.
SF (talk) 19:36, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
The real world is less well organized than you wish it to be. The speed of 33 has been a single, the speed of 45 has been a single, the speed of 33 has been an EP, etc. There is not a one-to-one correlation of speed and the naming scheme LP/EP/SP. Binksternet (talk) 00:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
A Single is a type of music release, not type of vinyl record, it can be released on CD, tape, standard play vinyl record, extended play vinyl record and long play vinyl record. An Extended Play record CANNOT be 33rpm, RCA created an extended play format as 45rpm vinyl record, 33rpm vinyl record is only a Long Play record as created by Columbia Records. There is one-to-one correlation of speed and the naming scheme LP/EP/SP, because basically this is how those vinyl record formats have been created for, 78rpm has been called Standard Play (SP), because this was the standarized speed, 45rpm was called Extended Play (EP), because it had extended playing time, than SP and 33rpm was called Lpng Play (LP), because, who would have thought, it can play LONG. There is exact and precise correlation between those terms LP/EP/SP and their speeds, because they are specific vinyl formats, developed by independent companies who patented those names. (talk) 11:21, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Patented? Really! That's great for you: if you can come up with patent numbers you can end this debate right now. If not, please give it a rest. Jeh (talk) 12:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
btw - if a 33rpm cannot be EP, how do you explain this: [3] Jeh (talk) 17:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

note on 16 rpm and 45 rpm ep[edit]

The 16 rpm format was also used by labels such as Caedmon for poetry and plays due to the large capacity of records recorded at this speed and the lack of need for high fidelity. I have a Mercury 45 rpm "extended play" (as it says) record jacket that is 16" x 16". (talk) 18:43, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


The section on RIAA is so laughably bad I'm surprised it's been allowed to stand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:42, 11 October 2014 (UTC)