Talk:Grand Canyon

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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 22:37, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Gallery

I had some photos to add but that sent the row of photos too far below the text, so I set most of them into a gallery. The three I left out I thought were pretty good, but maybe we should come to a consensus about which photos to 'feature' (keep full size). Maybe set up a poll - use the photos added so far as candidates and vote for your top 3? Zaui 20:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd vote for throwing out the gallery (see WP:NOT point 4). We have commons for this purpose. --Dschwen 21:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

100% agree. All the images stuffed into this already poor article make it look worse than it really is (I can say that since I'm one of the main authors of this article and the person who look several of the photos in it). Much more text is needed and the images need to compliment the text by illustrating places, things and concepts mentioned in the text. Most of the images in this article don't seem to have a logical purpose for being there other than being pretty. That they are so big makes it even worse (I almost always just use the stand thumb width of images even though I have high res screens). --mav 06:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Moved it to the bottom of the page for now. I agree it should be removed, though. // Habj 07:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to throw in my support for trimming the images--this is way too cluttered at the moment. Robth^Talk 13:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

There are simply too many images. The Grand Canyon is a visual thing and should have a few choice photos to accent its article, but this is way overboard. Most importantly, having six on the lead is unacceptable. I also agree with the general poor state of the article, much in contrast to the subject. Maybe this will sound cynical, but perhaps we need a category for Poor Articles to identify articles in this kind of disrepair. The subject is a good one, so the article can be good; nay, it must be good. If no one else wants to clean this up I'll take to the task, starting with the images, this week. I would appreciate any help with the text. Notary137 05:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't forget, just been working on a template all day. Will try to wade through the gallery on Sunday. If any are appropriate to the context of article sections, I will move them first. Notary137 03:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Added a couple of <!--comments--> to the article to try and keep more images from coming in. Someone added one Friday. Notary137 03:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's a really good quality one I found: Image:Rim of Grand Canyon.jpg. I think it stands above a lot of the existing images in terms of quality, so I'll let you hombres decide on what to do with it. Black-Velvet 09:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I have moved the images around for relevancy. The lead section now starts with a panorama (I think this is appropriate). All subsequent sections have at most one image each. I've tried to keep it relevant. The Image gallery has been removed. This gallery was a subset of the gallery available in commons. This way Notes, References and the list boxes are finally visible. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 21:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Huge improvement. Thanks! --Dschwen 22:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

What about a separate gallery page (or pages) for images – with a link (or links) from the Grand Canyon page. Figaro 14:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

See Grand Canyon#External links for a link to just that, Commons:Category:Grand Canyon. – Quin 07:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Arithmetic in Plants section

The Plants Section says: "This variety is largely due to the 8,000 foot (2,400 m) elevation change from the Colorado River up to the highest point on the North Rim." But the highest point is Point Imperial at about 8800 feet, while the floor is at 2600 feet. Why is 6200 rounded to 8000?128.187.112.7 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:21, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

I took a look at this. The full elevation range in the canyon is from the lowest point on the river at the southwestern end of the canyon, which is roughly 300 m, up to Point Imperial at 2683 m, which gives an elevation range of roughly 2,400 m, which is what the cited source says. Mikenorton (talk) 10:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2021

The suggestion that geologic evidence supports the erosional age of western Grand Canyon as being 17 to 20 million years old or older (rather than 5 to 6 my) has been refuted by the abundant and chronologic field evidence described in the article by Young and Crow in the journal, Geosphere (2014, v. 10, no. 4, p. 664-679), titled “Paleocene Grand Canyon incompatible with Tertiary paleography and stratigraphy.” The Paleocene through Miocene age of the dated Cenozoic sedimentary section on the Hualapai Plateau demonstrates that deposition, rather than erosion, was active across the western Plateau (at the location of the modern gorge) through late Miocene or early Pliocene time. Young1940 (talk) 01:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:23, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

names in Indigenous languages

do the names in Indigenous languages all mean "Grand Canyon"? or are they other words? or names? --142.163.194.149 (talk) 20:46, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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Popular Culture

I would add about the Grand Canyon in popular culture. If possible, even make a standalone article on it. Cwater1 (talk) 01:29, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

whitewall boats of Powell

Change to Whitehall, as used by Chidsey in reference #62 Kcmowildman (talk) 01:27, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2022

Mason2678 (talk) 06:26, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I logged in for 4days but this doesn`t let me go in

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Cannolis (talk) 07:46, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Naming

My understanding is that the name of this monument is simply "Grand Canyon". Referring to it as The Grand Canyon is wrong, I believe, and the article should be edited to reflect this. However, I don't feel like doing it. Also, I could be wrong, ofc. Eaglizard (talk) 08:40, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I believe the article is correct. This article is about the geographical entity known as the Grand Canyon, which refers to a canyon, its tributary sub-canyons, and the surrounding plateau. Use of the word "the" is correct.

The Grand Canyon is contained within many different political entities, each of which has their own Wikipedia article. The most famous is the national park called "Grand Canyon National Park"; it does not include the word "the".

The other political entities are:

• Grand Canyon–Parashant National Monument;
• the Hualapai Indian Reservation;
• the Havasupai Indian Reservation;
• the Navajo Nation;
• the Kaibab National Forest.

As an aside, this article does suffer from a number of other naming issues. For example, the terms "South Rim" (upper case) and "south rim" (lower case) are frequently used, but never defined, and frequently confused with each other. The same is true for "North Rim" (upper case) and "north rim" (lower case). However, even normally reliable sources (such as major newspapers) get this wrong more often that not, so I'm loathe to get involved in such a messy area. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 18:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

That's well argued. Eaglizard (talk) 21:07, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Powell shipped boats west, not east

Summary of Powell expedition says boats were shipped east from Chicago. This is incorrect. 172.125.123.147 (talk) 02:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You are obviously correct. Fixed. No idea why nobody else responded to this earlier. HiLo48 (talk) 06:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2023

Insert https://www.bryoticworlds.com/post/moran-point-everything-you-need-to-know into "Moran Point." It includes over 2,500 words of information. Natureman4 (talk) 06:04, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. And read MOS:EL and WP:COPYVIO. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:48, 19 August 2023 (UTC)