Talk:Grand Tour (cycling)

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Pantani stage wins[edit]

According to his Wikipedia page, he won 8 stages of the Tour and another 8 in the Giro, so 16 overall. Shouldn't he be in the most stage wins list therefore? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.55.5 (talk) 12:04, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

comments[edit]

A Grand Tour Category could be useful --Skyleth 12:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The plural of Giro[edit]

Is "Giri." You wouldn't say "paparazzos," would you?

Tonkov continued to race at a high level for several seasons. He was second in the 1997 and 1998 Giri d’Italia,

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Nonetheless, you simply don’t win two Giri d’Italia by only being a solid climber and a lucky rider.

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Though not a prolific winner, the farmer and donkey owner has amassed two stage wins and a 3rd-place overall finish in the past two Giri d'Italia.

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Hmm? Nosleep break my slumber 15:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Paparazzi is borrowed as a plural, but giro is not, and the English plural morpheme is -s. As a rule, borrowings are pluralized according to the rules of the borrowing language. Giri seems a hypercorrection to me. Zwart (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there some reason you removed my examples and, more importantly, my signature? Nosleep break my slumber 16:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, I hadn't noticed that these were examples, and I also hadn't recognized the signature (it being colored and all). No offense intended. I've restored them above. If it is your impression that Giri is standard usage, then we should keep it that way. Personally I think Giri d'Italia is even weirder, I would prefer Giro d'Italias. To illustrate my point, think of the plural of foreign words like fjord (from Norwegian), sovjet (from Russian), yacht (from Dutch), etc. All these are pluralized according to English grammar, not according to the grammar of the language of origin. Zwart (talk) 20:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
In the phrase Grand Tour, we are using grand in its French, rather than its English, sense. Should this article therefore be called Grands Tours? We might not use paparazzos, but we do not use the singulars paparazzo, spagghetto or scampo either, so I'm not sure that that line of reasoning bears any weight. Two of the cycling publications you cite also use Giros: Daily Peloton and Cycling news, and so do heavyweight publications (although not cycling specialists) such as Time and The Independent. So appeal to RS seems indecisive. Looks like a stadium/stadia type issue: hard to say that either is incorrect, but desirable that we have consistency at least within an article. My preference, for reasons given above by Zwart, would be for Giros. Kevin McE (talk) 08:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
"Giri d'Italia" and "Giros d'Italia" seem to be of roughly equivalent usage. I unequivocally do not want "Giro d'Italias" (and this is straight up English - you wouldn't say "hall of fames," would you?), but beyond that, this isn't anything I'm interested in fighting about. Nosleep break my slumber 17:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
It depends on what you're pluralizing: Giro or Giro d'Italia. For example, you don't say two Albertos Contador but two Alberto Contadors, because you're taking Alberto Contador to be a unit. Anyway, I'll change back to Giros and see how well it holds up.Zwart (talk) 20:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, there aren't two Alberto Contadors, but there are plenty of Giri d'Italia ;) I guess I don't feel as strongly about this as I thought I did. Nosleep break my slumber 03:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Erik Zabel Grand Tour Stage Wins[edit]

Erik Zabel never won any stages in the Giro, so the statistics as they are currently presented in the table (21 Giro stage victories) are incorrect. Wenkbrauwalbatros (talk) 20:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Cheers Wenkbrau. Very odd that Erik was credited with more than twice what he should be! Have removed them. Andrewdpcotton (talk) 14:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Alfredo Binda[edit]

Binda has won 41 stages in Giro d'Italia. In this section it is written that he won 42 stages. --Mystère Martin (talk) 10:13, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Most Grand Tour Participations and Finishes[edit]

I'd like to add this new section but I'd need help to do it. Or I can supply the data for an expert to do. Eduardo Chozas (ES) deserves recognition for his 27 participations and 26 finishes (in the '84 Vuelta he failed to complete the final stage), along with other notable cyclists in this category. EdX20 (talk) 18:27, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Podium records[edit]

I'd like to add this information. Can anybody help me?:

MOST PODIUMS ON ALL THE GRAND TOURS
======================TOUR====GIRO====VUELTA==========TOTAL=======
Jacques Anquetil        6       6       1               13
Bernard Hinault         7       3       2               12
Eddy Merckx             6       5       1               12
Felice Gimondi          2       9       1               12
Raymond Poulidor        8       0       2               10
Gino Bartali            3       7       0               10
Miguel Induráin         5       3       1                9
Fausto Coppi            2       7       0                9
Lance Armstrong         8       0       0                8
Pedro Delgado           3       0       5                8
Joop Zoetemelk          7       0       1                8


CYCLISTS WHO REACHED PODIUM ON ALL THE GRAND TOURS
======================TOUR====GIRO====VUELTA==========TOTAL=======
Jacques Anquetil        6       6       1               13
Bernard Hinault         7       3       2               12
Eddy Merckx             6       5       1               12
Felice Gimondi          2       9       1               12
Miguel Induráin         5       3       1                9
Laurent Fignon          3       2       1                6
Carlos Sastre           2       1       3                6
Toni Rominger           1       1       4                6
Alberto Contador        2       1       2                5
Denís Menchov           2       1       2                5
Jose Manuel Fuente      1       1       2                4
Vincenzo Nibali         1       2       1                4
Herman Van Springel     1       1       1                3


MOST PODIUMS ON TOUR DE FRANCE
========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL=======
Lance Armstrong*        7       0       1               8
Raymond Poulidor        0       3       5               8
Bernard Hinault         5       2       0               7
Joop Zoetemelk          1       6       0               7
Eddy Merckx             5       1       0               6
Jacques Anquetil        5       0       1               6
Jan Ullrich             1       5       0               6
Gustave Garrigou        1       3       2               6
Miguel Induráin         5       0       0               5
Greg LeMond             3       1       1               5
Louison Bobet           3       0       1               4
Nicolás Frantz          2       2       0               4
Antonin Magne           2       1       1               4
Jean Alavoine           0       2       2               4


MOST PODIUMS ON GIRO D'ITALIA
========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL=======
Felice Gimondi          3       2       4               9
Fausto Coppi            5       2       0               7
Gino Bartali            3       4       0               7
Gilberto Simoni         2       1       4               7
Alfredo Binda           5       1       0               6
Giovanni Brunero        3       2       1               6
Francesco Moser         1       3       2               6
Eddy Merckx             5       0       0               5
Fiorenzo Magni          3       2       0               5
Giuseppe Saronni        2       1       1               4
Charly Gaul             2       0       2               4
Italo Zilioli           0       3       1               4
Bartolomeo Aimo         0       1       3               4


MOST PODIUMS ON VUELTA A ESPAÑA
========================1º======2º======3º============TOTAL=======
Roberto Heras           3       1       1               5
Pedro Delgado           2       1       2               5
Luis Ocaña              1       3       1               5
Tony Rominger           3       0       1               4
Julián Berrendero       2       2       0               4
Alejandro Valverde      1       2       1               4
José Pérez-Francés      0       2       2               4
Miguel María Lasa       0       2       2               4
Alex Zülle              2       1       0               3
Marino Lejarreta        1       1       1               3
Reimund Dietzen         0       2       1               3