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When describing a term in Japanese, please don't use the phrase 'in budo' it is called sei o nage (or what ever}. Budo is not a language!!! Bu-Do (Bu=warrior/Do=The way of), therefore Budo is a philosophy not a language. All weapons, techniques and philosophies derived from Jujutsu/Judo/Aikido/Karate have Japanese names, not Budo names. Come on, it makes us westeners look stupid when we make ignorant mistakes about Japanese matters.
BJJ terminology question
The "kimura" is named after the great fighter, and the "americano" is above the waist (equator). Does "uma plata" literally mean "on a silver plate?" Rorybowman 08:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- According to google translate "uma plata" is the Portuguese for "a platform" however I think that you may be refering to the shoulder lock "omoplata" which actually translates into scapula. Jdcollins13 (talk) 15:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
- Dictionary - View detailed dictionary
- shoulder blade
I've now merged submission hold, pinning hold, pain compliance hold, and clinching hold into this article; all of the links in all articles linking to these have been redirected to the appropriate sections in this article. This one needs to be cleaned up a bit though; ordering and structuring according to type. Unfortunately i had to remove some pictures(temporarily hopefully) when the layout for messy. ---Marcus- 15:54, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'll try to clean it up later. ---Marcus- 15:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
- Great idea and nice job, man! This creates a much more complete article. -Toptomcat 02:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Subsection on Judo Equivalents?
Given that Kodokan udo has some of the most consistent and sophisticated terminology on this, is it worth it to try and show a correspondence here or should that be a subsection in judo or a separate article such as Judo hold?
Hmm... What about adding the judo holds under their corresponding positions or types? In judo there are several pinning holds that are performed from for instance the sidemount; so they could be added as techniques there. Joint locking or choking techniques under their types or separate articles on for instance joint-locks. But atleast I don't think it should be integrated into the article on judo or in a separate judo holds, since other gi martial arts use them as well, and some even use the japanese terms for them. For instance, i wrote an article about neck cranks, and when applicable, i added the japanese(judo) term for the technique too. ---Marcus- 09:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- Putting them in the sub-articles is probably better. A subsection or explicit article on Judo terms seems best, but for now the specific articles on the technique are probably best. I'd love to see what the Japanese Wikipedia articles on these look like! Rorybowman 07:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Begin list of judo techniques
On the semi-suggestion of -Marcus- I have created a new stub for Judo techniques, using a site which draws on current Kodokan teaching rather than trying to incorporate all budo. - Rorybowman 04:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
How many pictures?
I'm a big fan of having at least one nice picture in the upper-right of many articles, if that picture instantly adds to understanding, as in the article Internet sock puppet. To a certain extent this is a matter of personal taste in decorating but this article definitely benefits from having an illustration at key subsections. Too many would be distracting (and are more appropriate on subsection pages) but would it be too much to add one at the top? With the injunction to be bold I will put one back at the top, but if folks think it is too much, it won't hurt my feelings for it to to go away. Rorybowman 18:29, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that there can be one at the top.---Marcus- 19:29, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Way to go
Thanks for adding these parts together and fixing it up. It had been very confusing and hard to find before, and now it is much clearer.
Could someone who knows grappling and grappling holds right a page for escapes or at least a subsection for escapes. I would do it, but as a Taekwondoist am not very knowledgeable.
'Crosschoke: Athlete crosses own arms in "X" shape and holds onto opponent's gi or clothing.' How does this work, exactly? Is it the pressure one's outer forearms exert on the front of the neck? -Toptomcat 02:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- It is partially pressure from the forearm, but it is actually a strangle or 'blood choke'. When I am about to apply the choke I reach as deep as I can and grab the collar with a pinching motion, then I work that into a full grip (with both hands). Then I pull with my arms in opposite direction and pressure in with my forearms at the same time. This closes off the blood flow to the brain, while at the same time limiting airflow, usually causing a swift tap, I've seen some people use a twisting motion, presumably to tighten the gi around the neck, but I've never tried this. The disadvantage to this type of technique is that it only works with a gi collar or very sturdy clothing, any normal shirt will merely stretch or tear and not provide the pressure nessicary.Jdcollins13 (talk) 17:05, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Correction to the Muay Thai clinch.
The description for the Thai clinch said "Holding the opponent with both arms around the neck while standing." This is incorrect you dont hold the neck, you grasp the crown of his head and pull down. Also the dominant position is with your hands inside and your opponent hands on the outside. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
The description of the gearlock is very fuzzy and additional information is hard to find. Could someone make this a bit clearer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 11:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)