Talk:Greater Albania

Lede map

I have replaced the map in the lede, which showed the distribution of ethnic Albanians in neighboring countries, with an actual map of greater Albania. This is standard practice in other "Greater X" articles, e.g. Greater Serbia, Greater Croatia, etc. Since the lede describes which territories are claimed on behalf of GA, a map of GA is the most appropriate. The distribution map can go in the body of the article, or in other articles (when it is ready; it is currently the subject of a dispute in the commons), but not really in the lede here. Athenean (talk) 01:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Map of greater Albania (not accurate)

Why does the map include the island of Corfu where Albanians make for about 2% or less of the local population? Nor it is historically associated with the Albanian people. On what criteria the island and the part of the continental Greece is included ? Adrian (talk) 06:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

This map is horrible... first of all, I demand citation for a majority of Albanians wanting it. Kosovo, parts along Montenegro's southeast border and Western and Northern Macedonia, and finally Preshevo valley, yes... but it extends too far into Montenegro, and way too far into Macedonia and Serbia (it's supposed to be ONLY Preshevo!), and there are utterly no mainstream claims against Greece AT ALL. This map should be removed as soon as possible. --Yalens (talk) 16:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

The old map, that showed concentrations of Albanians in border countries... that was much, much better. --Yalens (talk) 16:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

"Unknown" number

Is this [1] some kind of joke? The number of Albanians in Greece is not "unknown", otherwise please enter "unknown" in the infobox of Albanians. Estimates exist, though they all regard post-1991 migrants, which have absolutely nothing to do with greater albania. It's as if some people are trying to imply that the large number of such migrants is a justification for Greater Albania. Nonsense. Athenean (talk) 18:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Further editing

Dismissing my whole contribution is not the correct step. I advise that you take it sentence by sentence and on the points you have reservation than you can raise them.I have not dismissed all the contributions of others It is clear that you have not paid attention as much. If you pay attention “large” relates to Yugoslavia and “lesser degree” to Greece. For Yugoslavia is used “rule”. For Greece is used “jurisdiction”. You can rewrite the sentences to make these clear.

There is an implication that the Republic of Albania is responsible for the secession of Kosovo. Please state evidence that Republic of Albania went to unilateral war with Yugoslavia and annexed Kosovo. Kosovo independence is not Greater Albania. It was not fought by the Albanian Army. The articles in Wikipedia are not about “ifs”, for example: “if Kosovo and Albania merge” then that amounts to Greater Albania. That is speculation--MJDANikhila (talk) 21:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I made some alternations because some of the info does not reflect the sources. Some of the alternations have to do with style.--MJDANikhila (talk) 17:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Source 1 (Bogdani, Mirela; John Loughlin)p 230 does not state that the term Ethnic Albania is used only by a section of Albanian population,i.e "Albanian nationalists".therefore i am editting the part that is not reflective of the source.--MJDANikhila (talk) 18:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Your heavy-handed alterations removed that Greater Albania includes a substantial portion of Greece (almost all of Epirus and parts of Western Macedonia, and even the island of Corfu), which is unacceptable. Also, the term "ethnic Albania" is only used by Albanian nationalists, and virtually no one else [2]. Moreover, the Bogdani source reflects that, I think the problem here is one of English comprehension. Athenean (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The point about Greek portion (Chameria). Yes, that is part of the Ethnic Albania. The Bogdani source does not reflect the following: "ethnic Albania is called only by Albanian nationalists". It says:...or as it is known by other names..Ethnic Albania. It does not claim that is exclusively used by a specific group(s). I have had a look at your contributions on other articles and you and your friend Alexikoua do demonstrate obsession and fanaticism.--MJDANikhila (talk) 14:01, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

@MJD: please relax and avoid irrelevant, nearly trolling, comments. In general when a specific user has a diferrent opinion on the subject this doesn't mean he is obsessed or fanatic. About the issue you claim, the source doesn't say that the irrendetism term (Greater/Ethnic Albania) concerns all member of the same ethnic group. Maybe you should make a more carefull research and present your results in the talkpage first (with full quotes if necessary).Alexikoua (talk) 15:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

@Alexikoua. I am relaxed, There are sections on wikipedia on fanaticism (Don't be a fanatic). Yep...i have had a look at your contributions and both you and Athenean display fanaticism....that aside i have read Bogdani and it says that: Greater Albania is known by other names like Ethnic Albania and Pan-Albanism. It does not say who uses this terms.The article as it stands is allocating the use of the term of "ethnic albania" to "Nationalist albanians". So is better avoided.i mean as to who uses the term as this can not be known for sure.Now...i will edit it in a way that the usage of the terms are referenced but not by who the terms are used as that is impossible to say.--MJDANikhila (talk) 15:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I reverted your changes because to say that Greater Albania were "conceived for the first time" in WW2 is incorrect and POV. It is also POV to describe parts of other countries as "Albanian lands". And as far as "ethnic Albania" goes, I have only ever seen Albanians use it. Can you show me a non-Albanian source that consistently refers to it as "ethnic" Albania? Athenean (talk) 17:04, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

1)As to when Greater Albania was conceived can be found on the very reference from Danilo Zolo. Invoking humanity: war, law, and global order.] Continuum International Publishing Group, 2002. ISBN 9780826456557, p. 24: "It was under the Italian and German occupation of 1939-1944 that the project of Greater Albania... was conceived." 2)The word conception and implementation should go together on 1939-1944 section. Your claim that my editing is INCORRECT is a POV in itself but not an issue i care to deal with for now. 3)In my editing I do not use the words "Albanian lands" but "Albanian inhabited territories" an this is not to describe other countries as Albanian but to state what Greater Albania means and what its proponents want to achieve. 4)My point about the term "Ethnic Albania" is that is not a wholly-owned term by an specific political group (i.e Alb nationalists).Unless by Alb nationalists you mean all Albanians? Please clarify! What is supported in Bogdani's book is the existence and usage of the term Ethnic Albania but not who uses it, whether it is main stream Albanian or nationalist Albanians or the Albanian state. Your point that the term Ethnic Albania is a registered trade mark exclusively used by Albanian Nationalists organisations is not supported by Bogdani citation. Also, being used only by albanians (according to you)then it should be written in alb as well like this: Greater Alb or Ethnic albania (Albanian: Shqiperia Etnike)as called by Albanians themselves is a .... you give me the impression that you own this article...do you?--MJDANikhila (talk) 21:42, 9 June 2011 (UTC)