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"Official status"[edit]

There seems to be no debate at all about whether it was legally approved at London (it wasn't), so I added the word "local"... Probably the sentence should be further rewritten. AnonMoos (talk) 14:29, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

18th-century[edit]

Is a version of the ensign with the 18th-century British flag in the canton attested in any way, or is it just hypothetical? AnonMoos (talk) 13:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Images of the flag do exist in the specified flag books of the era - this is indisputable. Take a look at the Bowles's Universal Display of the Naval Flags of all Nations from 1783.

As with many flags of this era, there is little source material apart from these flag plates, paintings or official documents. A lot of paintings are inaccurate as the painters were not attempting to accurately catalogue the finer details of flags. There's little other material available regarding the Green Ensign. The Flags of the World website has a thread of comments with individuals pet theories, ranging from it never existed to it having an official status.Dbnull (talk) 18:25, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added the link to that image, but it shows the St. George Cross (flag of England) in the canton, not the 18th-century British flag. I was wondering if there was any portrayal of George and Andrew together without "Patrick"... AnonMoos (talk) 07:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Got ya. I have some books at home with some flag plates that show this. I had a quick look under Google books and found the following from a 1848 book "Illustrations of the Maritime Flags of all nations" (http://books.google.com/books?id=BUMEAAAAQAAJ&printsec=titlepage&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0 ). You can see an example of what you are looking for in this book. I'm embedding the image below here. Dbnull (talk) 20:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

|from Maritime Flags of all Nations

I've just reread your prior post. You're looking for a version *without* St Patrick's cross. I'm not sure I've seen a print of this. I'll have a look in my books tonight to see if I can find one. Dbnull (talk) 21:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a plate printed in "The World Encyclopedia of Flags" (Alfred Znamierowski) from Norie and Hobbs dated 1848, this actually shows the green ensign with solely St George's cross in the canton. Which is interesting, as the image above showing the post 1801 Union Jack in the canton was also published in 1848. So, it would seem fair to assume that Norie and Hobbs were very much out of date. Unfortunately I can't find any other plates in my book collection. Dbnull (talk) 02:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Queen Victoria's Royal visit to Dublin, Ireland 3.jpg[edit]

I was looking earnestly at the full-size version of that image, and I don't see any Green ensign. There is a banner of the royal coat of arms (with the harp of Ireland in a lower quarter) next to some form of ensign... AnonMoos (talk) 22:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]