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Administration section changes[edit]

I kinda like the former version of Administration divisions section before the changes, but the new one is nonetheless, informative too. Can someone merge the two? [1] [2] --LLTimes (talk) 00:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll try and see what I can do, but do not expect great speed in accomplishing the task. --HXL 何献龙 00:32, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Oh thanks! not so much about speed but if someone is willing to try then it's all good :) --LLTimes (talk) 00:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
ok great. what I am aiming at (and I will most likely require the assistance of others) is the re-integration of the "total by section"(如:市区,郊区,等)as well as moving the map from the hideous position it is in atm. although there isn't really any way to combine colours and numbers; it "defeats the purpose" and is pointless. --HXL 何献龙 02:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Not necessary merging the two image to one but I was thinking of putting both images together on this article.--LLTimes (talk) 22:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
then that raises redundancy concerns... --HXL 何献龙 23:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Merging into mega-city[edit]

From the telegraph China to create largest mega city in the world with 42 million people. 24 Jan 2011:

China is planning to create the world's biggest mega city by merging nine cities to create a metropolis twice the size of Wales with a population of 42 million.

City planners in south China have laid out an ambitious plan to merge together the nine cities that lie around the Pearl River Delta. The "Turn The Pearl River Delta Into One" scheme will create a 16,000 sq mile urban area that is 26 times larger geographically than Greater London, or twice the size of Wales. The new mega-city will cover a large part of China's manufacturing heartland, stretching from Guangzhou to Shenzhen and including Foshan, Dongguan, Zhongshan, Zhuhai, Jiangmen, Huizhou and Zhaoqing. Together, they account for nearly a tenth of the Chinese economy. Over the next six years, around 150 major infrastructure projects will mesh the transport, energy, water and telecommunications networks of the nine cities together, at a cost of some 2 trillion yuan (£190 billion). An express rail line will also connect the hub with nearby Hong Kong.

Is this true?

Yosh3000 (talk) 22:54, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, no. See here. What was actually proposed was functional integration of the said cities rather than a merge of administrative divisions. Kxx (talk | contribs) 08:28, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

First sentence of lede[edit]

"What was polemical about referring to it as a sub-provincial city? seems like relevant information" Yes, it is clearly relevant; more important facts are relevant, too. So that's not the issue here. For example, in the current version of the lede of Beijing, or any of the other three municipalities (Tianjin, Shanghai, Chongqing) we don't begin immediately with "is a direct-controlled municipality" or something similar. We refer to what those cities are best known for. Regardless of that, the fact that Guangzhou is the provincial capital of Guangdong is far more well-known than the fact that it is a sub-provincial city. --HXL's Roundtable and Record 05:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Then wouldn't it make more sense to re-order the first sentence rather than removing the info completely? Or did I miss something and you did do that? Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Taking a side interpretation of your wording, I did not remove the info completely. It is still in the lede... Besides, many more city articles begin immediately for what the city is best known for, e.g. the Washington, DC article and those four municipality articles I gave you, though I had already altered the lede of the Chongqing article.
And BTW, I had originally mis-used "polemical". I am a high school student, and still have many things to learn, you know... --HXL's Roundtable and Record 05:33, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah, it does not. I misread your edit. The diff was kind of hard to read when it came up. Anyway, I've mostly reverted back to yours now that I see. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 09:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Remove lists of secondary schools and international schools?[edit]

I do not see that secondary schools and international schools quite meet the bar of importance for inclusion in this page. The international schools are certainly less notable. As for the secondary schools, there are just too many of them in the city to make any particular one stand out in a page about the city. These two lists also kinda attract indiscriminate addition of entries. They are of little interest to the general audience as well. Kxx (talk | contribs) 22:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

This list problem is common to many city articles, and Shanghai is perhaps the clear exception. We should purge these lists on the main articles and create "List of schools in X". I posted a similar thread on the talk for WikiProject China but no one responded. —HXL's Roundtable and Record 00:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the lists per WP:BOLD. Kxx (talk | contribs) 06:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

2011 edition of Eight Sights of Guangzhou not notable[edit]

(I do not accept the translation of "羊城八景" into Eight Views of the Ram City. Nobody uses that. But this is a minor issue.)

I do not believe that the 2011 edition of Eight Sights of Guangzhou meets the bar of notability for inclusion. Other than being the result of a New Express Daily PR stunt, they have not been widely recognized and accepted by the public. The sights that "科城锦绣" and "湿地唱晚" that are referring to may not even be well-understood to local residents.

I think that the list should be removed. Long-recognized sights that warrant inclusion can be integrated in better ways. Kxx (talk | contribs) 16:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Not in this article itself, but we can certainly integrate the attractions nevertheless. —HXL's Roundtable and Record 04:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Boat people?[edit]

The use of "boat people" in the following section seems inconsistent with the definition of boat people. Unless a citation can be provided, I think we should at the very least remove the link, if not the entire sentence. Thoughts?

Communist forces entered the city on October 14, 1949. This led the nationalists to blow up the Haizhu Bridge as the major link across the Pearl River and to the acting president's leaving for New York, whereas Chiang Kai-shek set up the capital for the Nationalist government in Chongqing again. The urban renewal projects of the new communist government improved the lives of some residents. New housing on the shores of the Pearl River provided homes for the poor boat people. Reforms by Deng Xiaoping, who came to power in the late 1970s, led to rapid economic growth due to the city's close proximity to Hong Kong and access to the Pearl River. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fistoffoucault (talkcontribs) 20:58, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

The term "boat People" must be the same term as what we called the 鄧家人. 鄧家人 was used to be the lowest members of the society. What defines 鄧家人 as who they are, was that they do not live on the land in houses, but insed they were forbidden to leave the boats of which were also their home to come ashore. It was used as a method to keep them is their places, that is being the lowest members of the society and prevent them to rise from their proper places. Yes, welcome to the real world. Where some people can be very nasty to some members of their society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.112.99 (talk) 01:10, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Canton dab for namesakes[edit]

Good call. tho' I'd prefer to see Canton dab'd in the hatnote. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete sentence in "Early History" section[edit]

The page October 30 shows that in 758, "Guangzhou is sacked by Arab and Persian pirates." But in this page, "October 30, 758" is mentioned, but the event is omitted. This makes the sentence incomplete. Please add the details. -- Ymir000 (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Can some please try to translate the following information from http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B9%BF%E5%B7%9E_(%E5%8F%A4%E4%BB%A3). 广州 (古代) 维基百科,自由的百科全书 广州,是中国古代的一个行政区划,其范围曾覆盖今天的广东、广西两省。 东吴政权分东汉的交州为交、广两州,北部为广州,郡治在番禺(今广州市中心),广州的范围横跨今日广西、广东两省,只有南部今天湛江市(廣州灣)、北海市、玉林市、钦州市范围属于交州,北部桂林市、贺州市、韶关市范围属于荆州。两晋基本沿用了三国建置,但到了南朝后期增设了大量州置,广州的范围也大大缩小。 隋朝废州置郡时,广州成为南海郡。之后唐朝恢复广州之名,但是范围已经缩小到了今天广州、佛山、东莞、清远,以及惠州的部分。此后广州之名一直沿用至今,但是其范围已经与三国、两晋时期的广州有很大的区别。 1368年(明洪武元年)設廣東承宣布政使司於廣州府,位於今日廣州市。 至民國才正式成立廣州市政府,將當時的廣府(現時的廣州老四區)定名為「廣州市」。1949年10月14日,中華人民共和國成立廣州市人民政府。 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.112.99 (talk) 08:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Translation is doable, but references are needed for such additions, which are unclear in the original page. Kxx (talk | contribs) 17:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Historical sites[edit]

"The Muslim's Loyal Trio" are the tombs of Ming loyalist Muslims who were martyred while fighting in battle against the Qing in the Manchu conquest of China.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vWLRxJEU49EC&pg=PA306#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 06:14, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Old 'criticism' section[edit]

I have removed the old criticism section under Transport ([3]) since neither (Isidor's Fugue, South China Morning Post (SCMP)) source present corroborated most of the claims on Guangzhou municipal public transport, instead speaking on the Guangzhou–Zhuhai Intercity Railway alone (Isidor's) or high-speed rail (SCMP). In addition, Isidor's Fugue is a self-published website, falling under WP:USERGENERATED. TLA 3x ♭ 04:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)