Talk:Guantanamo Bay Naval Base

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Cemetery[edit]

Does anyone have any issue with adding a portion regarding the Cuzco Wells Cemetery aboard the base? User:Aneah 02:49, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

I saw that there was a cemetary there. I think that is somewhat remarkable - to have a cemetary (for US personnel??) on a leased military base? Is that usual? Is it allowed by the terms of the lease? (Did they conger with the Cuban government?) Do you know when it "started", or who authorized it, etc... ( Martin | talkcontribs 05:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC))

Fahrenheit First[edit]

Can some change the climate table to list Fahrenheit first, as that is the standard used on the base itself? 98.221.141.21 (talk) 23:37, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, I'll just do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.141.21 (talk) 23:41, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Cuban Attempts to Force Closure[edit]

I am curious which steps Cuba has taken to force the closure of the camp. Military action is out of the question unless it can be made diplomatically unpaletable for the U.S. to respon militarily, but what about proxy attemps through the OAS or through the UN? It seems like there is a lack of popular demand for the action in Cuba, despite it being the U.S. on their land. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.101.249.83 (talk) 19:06, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes I have the same question. I did see somewhere that Cuba introduced at resolution at the UN, but then withdrew it. I did not see the purpose of the resolution, or understand the reason for the withdrawl, but I assume it was an objection of some sort, and withdrawn for lack of support. ( Martin | talkcontribs 19:53, 19 February 2013 (UTC))
Technically, the Cuban government does not recognize the base at Guantanamo. Also, the United States and Cuba do not have official diplomatic relations, although a small office exists in Havana. Speculatively, the Cuban government would not do anything to force the closure of the camp. I would further speculate that until US/Cuban relations exist, then the view of the Cuban government would be to ignore the camp, unless there is something that would get passed which would also allow the base to be shut down and the property therein returned to the Cuban government. Militarily, force would be out of the question. While the base's defenses are minimal compared to that of the Cuban army nearby, the possible threat of retaliation that exists from bases in Florida, may help to keep things in a permanent state of check. Aneah|talk to me 06:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
"Technically"? They do not recognize the legality of the base, but they know it is there, and as I noted just above, they do at times object officially. As you point out, the base hardly needs more than the fence as a protection from Cuba. In the '60s, there was talk of false flag operations to serve as an incident, reported in Johnathan Hansen's book. The Cuban Interest Section in Washington DC[1], as it happens, is being forced to close just now (26 November 2013 article), due, undoubtedly, to some US policy. [2]( Martin | talkcontribs 05:17, 1 December 2013 (UTC))

The water crisis in 1964[edit]

There are recordings of two phone calls between LBJ and McNamara that refer to this event, which are available at http://www.archive.org/details/lbj640207

Perhaps, this article can mention these. Alidev (talk) 15:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


Archive[edit]

Would it be possible for someone to archive the talk page? There are items on here are rather old. Recommendation is archive pre-2010. Thanks! User:Aneah 17:44, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Checks stuffed in drawers...[edit]

Updated a dead link on this point, and re-wrote a sentence that cited the article as standing for the proposition that the uncashed checks from the US to Cuba for G-Bay "are kept" in Castro's desk. Upon reviewing the 2007 article, it actually says that years ago in a television interview the checks were shown by Castro as being stuffed in a desk. Since the article is 4 years old, and in any case, does not claim that the checks were still kept in the desk at the time of publication (and cannot attest to the current state of affairs in 2011), I felt it would be more accurate to say Castro once showed the checks stuffed in his desk, since that's really all the source verifies.

It begs the question though, is it even necessary to mention that at one point (and possibly still) the checks are stuffed in Castro's desk? Perhaps it plays a part in showing Castro's disdain for the checks and contention that G-Bay is invalidly occupied by the US?

USC Law Attorney (talk) 12:13, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

USC Law Attorney (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

It's been rumored for years that Castro keeps the checks in a filing cabinet, his desk, or a cigar box. Until someone can come up with something verifiable, the point is moot. The checks are not cashed. My understanding is that his belief is that cashing the checks is akin to acknowledging the base.
acknowledging the base? The base is not legitimate. It was leased under duress, which was normal for the time, but is no longer. In addition, both sides need to abide by the terms of the lease, and the US is in material, fundamental, and anticipatory breach. Only a valid lease can make the base legitimate. ( Martin | talkcontribs 19:50, 19 February 2013 (UTC))
USC, by "begs the question" I assume you mean "raises the question". I am confident that you have heard of the distinction; surprised that you use the frowned-on meaning when a normal phrase is available. ( Martin | talkcontribs 00:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC))

But then again, for so many years, having quite a bit of fighting forces around the base... kind of hard not to "acknowledge" spending that kind of money...User:Aneah 06:25, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I moved pretty much all of the detail about the lease to the wikipedia article about the lease itself. ( Martin | talkcontribs 20:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC))

A Few Good Men[edit]

Many articles have a "Representation in The Media section" that list instances of the topic appearing in movies, TV shows, novels, etc. Guantanamo Naval Base features prominently in the notable movie A Few Good Men but this is not mentioned in the article. Has this been discussed before? Vincent (talk) 05:40, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

The problem with a "Representation in the Media section" affords much in the way of interpretation. Yes, A Few Good Men presents a lot of of content from Gitmo, however, many of the representations would wind up portraying more of the detention camp, which should fall under the those appropriate categories. This article, is more of a representation of the base itself, which does have a history that is notable aside from the detention facilities. It may be something that could be linked as a list on a separate article divided into Fictional and Non-fictional sections. Some items would include a Few Good Men, Bad Boys 2 (where at the end of the movie they wind up at the Northeast Gate attempting entry), the Harold and Kumar movie, the Michael Moore movie, several books (fiction and non-fiction) etc. User:Aneah 13:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


Two Cubans[edit]

Recently, there was a Who tag placed in the text referring to the two people that still(?) pass through the Northeast gate into the base daily in order to perform their job. I'm not sure whether it is significant or not to name these people and was wondering if anyone could possibly offer some clarification. The only notoriety that these two individuals have is that they have been passing through the gate to work on the base since 1959. Any input on this is welcome. User:Aneah 13:48, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:OR?[edit]

I've glanced through the page history and archives and I can't find anything about where someone stated that the WP:OP tag was being applied and for what reason. If anyone can provide any information with regards to this, great. If not, then the tag should be removed. User:Aneah 04:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

What does this sentence mean?[edit]

in the Spanish American war paragraph

The Marines landed with naval support, requiring Cuban scouts to push off Spanish resistance that increased as they moved inland. ( Martin | talkcontribs 19:45, 19 February 2013 (UTC))

Interesting. I never really noticed that before. I typed the whole sentence into Google and it came up on a variety of web sites. It definitely needs to be re-written. Aneah|talk to me 20:54, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

User:131.204.254.71[edit]

I have submitted this IP to the administrators[3] for consideration due to continuous unconstructive edits to this page.

User has been temporarily blocked by adminstrators. Aneah|talk to me 20:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Genocidas malparidos y encima lamebotas del Pentágono... say nothing, see no evil, hear no evil; dimwitted knownothings. Are you all so devoid of any conscience or so ignorant to unquestionably parrot the word of the Pentagon regarding the usurped Cuban territory to set up a torture center, not only violating Cuban sovereignity but openly carrying out a vicious blockade of Cuba for over half a century?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.204.254.71 (talk) 22:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Cited article is not correct[edit]

This article: ^ Anthony Boadle. "Castro: Cuba not cashing U.S. Guantanamo rent checks". Reuters. Retrieved 17 October 2013. says that the payment is monthly. This is incorrect. I will try to locate a correct source online. Note that this detail is in the "Main" article, so it is a judgment call as to how much needs to be be included in this summary. How relevant is the payment? ( Martin | talkcontribs 04:52, 1 December 2013 (UTC))

The main article on the lease does discuss the lease amount, and has the same article referenced, although noting that the payment period is incorrectly reported in the article, and that the annual payment is due on July 2nd, the effective date of the lease (see the original lease agreement).( Martin | talkcontribs 04:58, 1 December 2013 (UTC))

Spanish Colonial Era[edit]

The paragraph "Spanish Colonial Era" talks about the British. Where is Spain?? ( Martin | talkcontribs 04:30, 6 December 2013 (UTC))

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