Talk:Guillaume Apollinaire

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This article is very poor, a typical work of DW: no mention of his work, significance and impact. The French version appears to be much better. It would be nice if someone could translate their material. AxelBoldt 05:01 May 7, 2003 (UTC)

I've not used the French version, but I've tried to plug in some stuff about his work. I daresay others know more about him that I, however. --Camembert

I don't understand why he's referred to as being just 'french' he was born in Rome and spent significant time in Italy before moving to Paris. He also was not at all ethnically French so this article needs to be more clear about his ancestry. Personally I think he should be referred to as an italo~pole. As that bears a lot more truth than what heis currently being referred to as. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.106.166 (talk) 14:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

another sex novel[edit]

I know that Don Juan has frequently been published as by Apollinaire but I think that there is an argument against it actually being written by him, mainly on stylistic grounds. I remember reading it years ago (in English, though), and it certainly didn't strike me as being the work of a noted writer. And that was before I realized that other people had said it wasn't really by Apollinaire. I suppose that if any of us cared to research this we could come up with some quotations from various people both pro and con on the subject.... Hayford Peirce 20:48, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I have a novel, paperback, in English, entitled The Prince of Debauchery which indicates on the cover and title page that the author was Guillaume Apollinaire. The prose seem fairly accomplished, although being in English this may only reflect the writing style of the translator. Dick Kimball (talk) 20:02, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

lead image[edit]

It is unclear what is the Henry R. painting doing in this article. Does it actually depict Apollienaire and his muse? - Alsandro · T · w:ka: Th · T 12:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Guillaume Appollinaire`s mother[edit]

According the Finnish source (Väinö Kirstinä) Olga de Kostrowitzka was born in Helsinki, Grand Duchy of Finland in 1858 to a Polish born Imperial Russian Army Captain Michel - Apollinaire de Kostrowitzky. After the Polish Uprising the family moved to Italy where the Pope appointed in 1868 by then retired Michel - Apollinaire de Kostrowitsky to "Kammerherr" in Vatican. In Rome Olga gave birth for two sons in 1880 and 1882 of whose fathers are both still for sure uncertain. Mrs Kostrowitzka moved with his two sons in 1885 to Monaco. The older son Guillaume Albert Wladimir Alexandre Apollinaire de Kostrowitzky had three possible father candidates. Italian Benedict Abbe Don Romairo d´Aspermonti and Bishop of Monaco Theuret who had been in Rome by the time when Guillaume was born. Many believe Guillaume´s father to be Italian Army officer Francesco Fluigi d´Aspermont the brother of before mentioned Papal Prelate. Later Guillaume let some understood that his real father was the Papal Prelate (this according his mother who had sex with both brothers). In 1897 Olga left Monaco with her sons accompanied by Jewish "Uncle Jules" and they wandered here and there in Europe. This Odysseia ended in 1899 to Paris. It is widely believed that some real experiments during this wandering where used by Guillaume in his "Les Onze Mille Verges" particulary those described in Hospodar Vibescu´s sexual experiments in St. Petersburg but transferred in the novel to 1904. If this is the case this sexual parodia is the long waited first hand describtion of homosexuality among the upper Russian classes and key to the Ivan the Terrible´s relation with his son he murdered when the son refused to "baptize the egg in fresh bread" (Tatar version) or "fed and prepare to open the mind of the son" (Russian version). In addition the published old march song of Preobrazhensk Regiment in novel clears some missing details of old Russian Sodomia.

JN

The Molina da Silva book[edit]

I removed the book "La Gráce et le Maintien Français, 1902 (with Molina da Silva)" from the bibliography section; couldn't find any mention of it on the net on sites other than Wikipedia and its mirrors/ripoffs: just 5 hits on Google. --Jashiin (talk) 14:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean you doubt the book exists?

Molina, da S. J. La Grâce Et Le Maintien Français. Paris: J. da Silva, 1901.

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/469074536

For any French book it can make sense to look in a French library possibly starting with the Bibliothèque nationale de France BnF Paris, 75013 France. Guillaume Apollinaire's contribution is not noted on the title page, you must read the preface.

Does it make something unlikely just because it cannot be found with a Google search? Is reading an actual book in its original language now an eccentric activity?

EdRicardo (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Authorship[edit]

The following paragraph was removed with the comment, "I doubt this poet wrote about erotica and incest, also it lacks a citation"

In 1907, Apollinaire wrote the well-known erotic novel, The Eleven Thousand Rods (Les Onze Mille Verges). Officially banned in France until 1970, various printings of it circulated widely for many years. Apollinaire never publicly acknowledged authorship of the novel. Another erotic novel attributed to him was The Exploits of a Young Don Juan (Les exploits d'un jeune Don Juan), in which the 15-year-old hero fathers three children with various members of his entourage, including his aunt. The book was made into a movie in 1987.

amazon.com lists Apollinaire as the author of The Eleven Thousand Rods - http://www.amazon.com/Eleven-Thousand-Rods-Uncensored-Classic/dp/0971457891

alibris.com lists Apollinaire as the author of The Exploits of a young Don Juan - http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?binding=&mtype=&keyword=The+Exploits+of+a+Young+Don+Juan&hs.x=0&hs.y=0&hs=Submit

I'm not sure how to cite this on wikipedia though.

Thus, history and the publishing world attribute authorship to Apollinaire, and the way the paragraph is written the authorship question is covered.

I'm restoring the paragraph.

--sparkitTALK 18:54, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


The Eleven Thousand Rods (Les Onze Mille Verges)[edit]

This is a grotesque mistranslation. Verge (from the Latin virga), means penis, 'cock'. It only has a secondary meaning as "rod": the cylindrical leather tube of a bull's verge, filled with pebbles, also called a verge, is used as a whip or truncheon.

Besides punning with an instrument of flagellation, the title is also a play on words (verge means penis, vierge means virgin) a ribald allusion to the Eleven-Thousand Virgins who were martyred with Saint Ursula.

208.87.248.162 (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)