Talk:Guitar Craft
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[edit] Not a forum
I removed forum-like discussions, per WP:Not a forum. (Some statements may have raised WP:BLP concerns, also.) 217.211.190.154 (talk) 18:36, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Success
"The success of the courses in revitalizing a student's guitar playing is debatable" attempts to measure that success by fame and fortune. The key to the statement is in the quote. Nowhere is anything stated or implied that one will go on to be rich and/or famous. In fact, the bleak, harsh realities of a musician's life are often discussed. Guitar Craft is not and never has been presented as a path to fame and fortune.
- "The success of the courses in revitalizing a student's guitar playing is debatable"? I wrote that line originally, which makes no reference to "fame and fortune", they were furthest from my mind. I'm a musician myself, and I do not measure the vitality of my musicianship by fame and fortune - a good thing for my sanity! Stereoroid 16:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
- The proof is in the pudding, as the saying goes. So i followed the links to the guitar craft musicians web sites to hear and see what they do. I could not find any example of someone who can get around on the instrument, or display musical insight and creativity, any better or even on a par with players who are expert in the traditional methods and tuning. Until they can produce a few players on the level of a Parkening or a Conti, they have nothing to support their claims. (User MCN 17:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC))
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- Hi MCN,
- Please focus on improving the article with reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a discusion forum, so even good original research should be avoided even on talk pages.
- Thanks, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Some points on Guitar Craft
I write as someone who has had a lot of experience of Guitar Craft courses over the last few years. That is to say I'm a self-confessed Crafty.
I have been attempting to rewrite something in this article with little success. The sentence "Students are roughly grouped into Levels as they enter a course, with Level One for new students. Graduation is based on a personal assessment of the student by the instructors" is wholly incorrect, and I will delete it. However, my attempts to write a replacement for it have started to become overwrought.
There is no allocation of applicants to courses (that is to say "students are [not] roughly grouped"), although courses may have requirements of previous experience. A person's attendance on a course depends on their own assessment of what they need from the course. In this sense there is no ranking of individuals into Level One, Level Two and so forth except as relates to a specific course. It is common for people to attend a number of Level Two courses, for example. For more experienced Crafties, the work in the kitchen is of equal or greater value.
The Level One courses used to be the introductory courses to Guitar Craft, and are all directed by Fripp, but since 2002 it has been a requirement for all applicants to Level One courses to have attended an introductory course first.
In addition, there are other courses - Performance Projects, for example, which often involve series of concerts by the group The League of Crafty Guitarists - depending on what is needed.
In the past few years much of the activity in Guitar Craft has been in Europe (particularly Germany and Spain) and South America (particularly Argentina), although participants on these courses regularly come from all over the world. Grangousier
User Grangousier made these comments from 2005-2006, I note. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:59, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Live! Robert Fripp and The League of Crafty Guitarists
Would somebody please check this and find the author?
- "Live! Robert Fripp and The League of Crafty Guitarists (Review)". Audio (Radio Magazine) 71: p. 98. 1987. LCCN 26018838. http://books.google.se/books?id=CrwnAQAAMAAJ&q=%22League+of+Crafty+Guitarists%22,+Gamelan&dq=%22League+of+Crafty+Guitarists%22.
It shall be used in the article on gamelan. Thanks! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright concerns regarding Discipline Global Mobile (DGM)
I left this note on the Robert Fripp talk page:
This article has a link to Fripp's diary, which seems to violate the terms of service agreement of DGM. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:47, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
[edit] External links
The external links section grew again, raising concerns about policies such as WP:External links and WP:LINKFARM. I removed the links to anything that was not mentioned in the article. I trust that readers can follow the given links to the GC sites, from which they can find additional performers, etc.
Thanks for your consideration.
