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  1. December 2005 – July 2006

Early Life[edit]

I edited the opening paragraph to remove confusing structure and redundancy, without changing the contents. This leaves what appears to be sectarian argument about dates intact--and out of place.Ferren (talk) 04:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


I think this article is very long and very text heavy- it's very daunting for someone who is just looking for more information on Sikhism and the life of Guru Nanak Dev. As I don't know much about the subject at hand, could someone please have a look at it and maybe try some major editing work, and perhaps create a couple of new articles if it is appropriate? The article itself isn't helpful as an encyclopaedic entry. Jess xx (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with this. It might be a good idea to use the article on Jesus as a model, since it constantly cites sources and does not bog down with tiny details and useless information as this article does. It might be a good idea to move all the information on the Gurus journeys, besides a very short paragraph, to a separate article. This biography, as it is currently written, is very poorly cited and almost impossible to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:34, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


Guru Nanak Dev, The Founder of Sikhism and 1st Guru of Sikh people was born in Nankana Sahib, Punjab (Pakistan). He Travelled in Many Countries Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Nepal, Arabia. Guru Nanak was effected by the Teachings of Islam. He found Sikhism Against Hindusim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:52, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


The year of birth is different in the article and the infobox, and also in the article 'Sikh Gurus' Can someone who knows either make the D.o.B. the same for both, or make it clear that the D.o.B. is ambiguous? -m-i-k-e-y- 22:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Most sources i have seen state 15th april. Even the 15th April page says so. The 20th October page does not say so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Is birthdate 15th April or 20th October? As such, Nanak Jayanti is celebrated in October-November. Therefore, Date must be 20th October. However, citation is required. And is not date according to Hindu calender available?-- (talk) 10:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

There is a copy of Guru Granth Sahib that is considered by many to be authentic and original copy of Adi Granth compiled by the fifth Guru, Guru Arjan Dev Ji. In that copy, the death date of Guru Nanak Ji is given and written next are the number of years, months and days that Guru Nanak Ji lived. Most scholars have taken that date of Sept 22nd as the death date and then calculated backwards to find the birth date as April 14-15th, 1469 AD - I wrote two dates because the birth is said to be at mid-night. There is also the research and work of Dr. Pal Singh Purewal that should be given due discussion time. According to his work, the birth of Guru Nanak falls on March 27th, 1469 AD. His paper is: —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Teaching Section[edit]

I found some updates which was very logical in Nanak dev's teaching section, but somebody removed that. I am adding it again, because I have a copy of that. Because The Religion asks the Truth and answers the Truth itself, Religion is not bound to the society only, it should be of all well being for the mankind, free from sectarianism. Truth can not be many. What religion was there before Nanak Dev? Guruji spoke the Truth which was absolute and Truth is the Science which beholds the Universe.

Your changes constitute POV and WP:OR, and have been removed. Please do not add them again without properly cited references with ISBN numbers. Thanks--Sikh-history (talk) 13:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


Please don't make any major changes , like removal of paragraph or altering the nature of article wihthout any discussion. Help improve this article!Ajjay (talk) 06:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Important link[edit]

That link is very poor on the wiki scale. Its like using wikipedia to refrence another wikipedia article. Does not make sense. Thanks--Sikh-history (talk) 13:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Hari Singh's layout suggestion[edit]

May be we should first decide on the main sub-sections that we should include in the article and then see how we can work on these sub-sections. My suggestion is:

  • 1. Background
  • 2. Philosophy
  • 2a. The Three Pillars of Sikhism
  • 2b. Other Beliefs and Contributions
  • 2c. Main Banis contributed to SGGS
  • 3. History
  • 3a. Childhood
  • 3b. Marriage and Early Adulthood
  • 3c. Four Journeys
  • 3d. Settlement in Kartarpur
  • 3e. Death
  • 4. Impact on Society
  • 5. What others have said about Guru Nanak
  • 6. Folklore - Sakhis
  • 7. See also – other internal Links
  • 8. External links
  • 9. References

Copied from [1]. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

There are no pillars in sikhism , three or more.Guru Nanak laid down many basics for Sikhs , to which there were continous additions over the time by succesive Gurus.Talking about pillars, it is more of a muslim or islamic thing.Ajjay (talk) 09:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Page Move[edit]

I think this page is probably best moved to Nanak for neutrality reasons. What do people think? Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I would recommend not using honorifics such as dev and ji in the names of articles, but, IMHO, titles such a Guru belong with the personal name of historical figures when the title is of such historical significance to the identity of that person. It's a common practice in English encyclopedias (see, for instance, Pope John I, King Arthur, Saint George, & Kublai Khan). —OneMansOpinion 01:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Useful resources[edit]

I've got "The Sikh Religion - Its Gurus, Sacred Writings and Authors." which includes a good few hundred pages on the life of the Guru. I've also got "The Adi Granth - or the Holy Scriptures of the Sikhs" which includes two different Janamsakhis. Also Puratan Janamsakhi is available in Punjabi here: [2].

As most of Guru Nanak's history is based on the Janamsakhis, we must include a prefatory mark saying it's not known whether what they say is true. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Some info on the Janamsakhis: Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Guru Nanak's education[edit]

Just a reminder for later to add this in:


There is also proof from the satisfactory internal evidence of his own compositions that Guru Nanak studied the Persian language. Kalu felt that the society of religious men was not likely to advance his son's secular interests. Rai Bular promised that if Nanak learned Persian, in which all state documents and accounts were then written, he would appoint him village accountant in succession to his father. Persian was never the tongue of Hindus, and was despised by them as the language of foreigners and conquerors and of impure Musalman literature;[1] but Hindus in the age of Nanak applied themselves to it as they do now--for the simple purpose of obtaining a livelihood. Nanak soon astonished his Persian as he had previously astonished his Hindu teacher. In reply to Rukn-ul-Din's injunctions he assumed the rôle of teacher in turn and composed the following acrostic on the letters of the Persian alphabet

[1. In the institutes of Parâsar there is found an injunction not to speak the language of the inhabitants of Yavan--a word which originally meant Greece, but was afterwards applied to Arabia--even though it save life from issuing by the throat. Parâsar possessed the Hindu abhorrence of strange countries and gave expression to it. His words are now understood by the Hindus to refer to the language of the Musalmans, though there were no Musalmans for centuries after his time.]

Removal of a para[edit]

I removed "During one of his travels...". This came in with [4] and has been eroded since. Apologies if this causes offence, but this section is surely better without it. Perhaps the original story could be reincorporated into the article in another place by someone who knows Sikhism better than I. AWhiteC 22:07, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

number of gurus[edit]

i've noticed that on all the guru pages it says '...of ten gurus' should it not be of eleven gurus?

Nanak is not the founder of Sikhism.Nanak never claimed that he is guru. So, he can not apoint 2nd guru.It was the Bhai Lehna who claimed that Nanak appointed him 2nd guru.Nanak condemn all the rituals of all religions. Therefore how can Nanak start new ritual. By bowing to Bhai Lehna and placing 5 paisa on his feet, is a ritual of Hindus.The history shows that there were struggels to get the guru ship for every guru. Seeker

Reply History shows that their were 'attempts' by seekers and 'pakhandis' to get Guruship. As for saying Nanak never appointed Angad him as guru, i think you are mental (Angad means ones own part, it was given to him by guru Nanak). If you live in india, i suggest there is a mental hospital in Amritsar for people like you. Guru Nanak condemned "Vain rituals" and not "sincere practises". Go read his Bani where he specifically states that his utterings are as received by Supreme God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

birthday wrong[edit]

Noticed that at the top of the page it indicates Guru Nanak's birthday is the 20th of October. However, further down the page under "Background" it lists his actual birthday of 5th November. Can this please be corrected.

Someone put (gay) in brackets. How do you report vandalism? Dave the Brave 01:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Birthday is also shown as 13th April in one paragraph, which is right?

Dave the brave, it is not 100% trolling. I think you may be being a little fussy. This comes from an openly gay man.

Photo Incorrect[edit]

DEar Sir/Madam

I realise that i did write that message a few times. I am speaking on behalf of The Sikh Federation and The British Organisation of Sikh Students (BOSS), I kindly request that the photograph displaying Guru Nanak wearing a red cap, earings and other unappropriate clothing be removed at your earliest convenience as these photos are incorrect immoral and very degrading to the sikh community, it is offensive to even suggest that Guru Nanak would wear a cap when he renounces all rituals, renounces the wearing of jewellerly. I look forward to your reply


Why are you offended by classic works of Sikh art? Just because it's not a Sobha Singh painting (which are also very good in my opinion) does not make it any less deserving of a place on Wikipedia. It's from an 1800's manuscript currently stored in the British Library for god's sake. Stop trying to sanatise Sikh history. 23:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Also, the guru is not wearing a hat - it's a turban (just a different style of turban). What earings and other inappropriate clothing are you talking about? Do you know for certain that Guru Nanak didn't dress like this? Do you know how he dressed (please do provide a quotation from Nanak or his co--Sikh-history (talk) 13:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)ntemporaries detailing this)? The picture is merely a representation of the guru, just like all other pictures - we do not know what he looked like. 23:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Nahamura your comment remind me of this article Talibanisation. Regards

I totally agree with that there is no need to change the photo of Baba Nanak wearing cap (What ever Baba Nanak is wearing in photo). From Ccomment (Incorrect Photo) I just remenber the words of OSHO ( Discourse by osho on Japuji Shahib) that this world is not suffering from naif's but world is suffering from pseudo intellectual's. Even Baba Nanak is not a sikh he is a preacher of humanity. I am a Sikh, what ever Nanak wear in photos etc I love him...

These sikh federations already done the damage and ruined the image of sikhisim and sikhs. Please find some meaning in your lifes and stop creating these federations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


Did Nanak Dev ever claim to be a prophet and have divine revelations? Or was he just a man who wanted to incorporate pieces of Hinduism and Islam into one religion? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 16:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

It is stated in Guru Granth Sahib that the bani in it came directly from God .Nanak did not merge the teachings of hinduism and islam, to form a new religion.The claims of Nanak were restricted to the glory and grace of God.He did not claim to be a son of God or his messengar on earth.His teachings were wholly differen't from Islam and Hinduism. Although he did praise some of the teachings of both these religions, he largely denounced their approach towards the path to salvation and God.He regarded all mankind to be childeren of God and not selective persons.To him God did not differntiate between people on basis of who they were, but what they were.He put emphasis on Truth and name of God than on any individual persons. However Nanak stressed and put much emphasis on the need of Guru for reaching God.His teachings and practises,which were wholly new and differen't from existing religions and society norms ultimately led to the rise of a new religion.Ajjay (talk) 05:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


I deleted this from the folklore section. This belongs on the talk page, not in the article itself. Also, the story of his death is told twice, once sloppily. "Please also look at Kabir - as such is also said about the time of his death. Possibly the stories have cross pollenated from on another?"

-Robin Gordon Leavitt Dec. 5 2007

Content added..But..............[edit]

I have added some valuable content to this article, with citations, but when i opened this article without logging in ,the changes were not there! And when i logged in , the article opened with changes! What is this, something i haven't understood?How does it appear to first time visitors? The article needs to be more knowledgable and presentable.Guru Nanak is one of the major figures in World history.The article doesn't do justice to his Stature.Ajjay (talk) 05:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

neutrality disputed[edit]

What part of article is disputed? Please mention and elaborate on the objecton.I'm going to remove the disputed tag , if the person who put it cannot elaborate what he found objectionable? that too without any discussionAjjay (talk) 07:02, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Tag removed by me! No response for two weeks. If anybody wants to put it again, than please elaborate the reason for it, or i will remove it again.okAjjay (talk) 08:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Link to be added?[edit]

I would like to add this link, it is quite precious, but I don't dare because of the warning referring to excessive linking.

Austerlitz -- (talk) 09:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
though the article seems genuine, the source is way too pov. Guru Nanak and Sant mat???????Ajjay (talk) 16:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

The concept of Karma[edit]

Ajjay please dont keep vandalising this page, please refer to the word Gurbani and ref: with respect to the concept of Karma

I noticed you tried to delete the section of 'Karma in Sikhism' on the Sikhism page, but correctly re-instated.

Vandalism by Ajjay[edit]

Ajjay please stop vandalising pages on Sikhism —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Look who is talking, considering you recent contributions. You don't even have a proper username. what are you afraid of? I suspect that you were banned before, many times, for vandalism. now it is so easier to do hone your skills from a public computer, probably belonging to your school library. And i hear you are studying indology..My dear, why don't you explain, what are you studying? Seeing your contributions and the ref. you cite, i am afraid that you are being taken for a ride. Please don't lose your dad's hard earned money to frauds who brainwash innocents like you. Afterall you have a Nobel Prize waiting for you. Dave the Green NOBEL. Sounds good to me.Ajjay (talk) 16:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hindu/Sikh unity section?[edit]

I know this will anger many Sikhs but shouldnt there be a section about those who believe in the unity of Hinduism & Sikhism? In other words those who condsider themself Hindu & Sikh? Or those who believe that the two arent meant to be seperate religions? Please dont get offended by what im saying, but there are some people (like me) who think this way that these religions should not be seperate and should unite as one. After all the Gurus didnt believe in religion (from what I understand) and believed in unity under god (talk) 23:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

There is an article Agnostic. I think your views righly belong there. (talk) 05:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Grammar fixes[edit]

I fixed a lot of the grammar and capitalization issues, and added a few internal links (no external links! :) If you see any other grammar problems, feel free to fix them yourself! By the way, was this article translated from another Wikipedia? Intothewoods29 (talk) 21:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Something new in here?[edit]

Austerlitz -- (talk) 18:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
  1. ^ Guru Nanak Dev

what book?

Austerlitz -- (talk) 18:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


Austerlitz -- (talk) 19:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Guru?[edit]

In his Bani quoted from the Assa Di Vaar, "Guru Nanak says Balihari gur Apne Diyohari Sadh Vaar"....

I would like to know who was this guru that Guru Nanak is talking about. All of Guru Nanak's predecessor guru's also highlighted the importance of having a guru and always praised their own guru for example, Guru Angad Dev praised Guru Nanak, Guru Amardas praised Guru Angad, Guru Gobind praised Guru Teg Bahadhur and so on. So it is natural to think that Guru Nanak had a guru also.

Futhermore it is quoted in the Adh Sri Granth Sahib that "Gur Bin koe na utharas paar", so Im sure that this would apply to Guru Nanak and all of his followers.

Many people say that the Shabad (word) was Guru Nanaks Guru. Shabad Guru is what a lot of people believe in today. However if this was the case then it leads to many questions that need to be answered:

1) If it is true that 'shabad (word) is satguru nanak dev ji's guru then what word is it? It is the duty of the guru to point his followers on the right track, so what was the shabad that showed Guru nanak the way?

2)Who said this Sahabad?

3)The one who said this Shabad, why was he not guru himself, and why did only his shabad become guru?

4)If the Shabad was Guru Nanaks guru then how is Guru Nanak the 1st Sikh Guru? Should it not be the Shabad as the 1st?

5) if the word Shabad Guru means Guru Granth Sahib then how is it that Guru Granth Sahib is the last guru and not the 1st?

There are actually many more questions too but i would be interested to know if anyone would care to answer these 5 to begin with.

It is important to believe in your faith but as a historian and a researcher I am trying to get to the bottom of these answers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)


Austerlitz -- (talk) 21:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Ive heard this discussion before somewhere,and it has come to the conclusion guru ji is talking about god as his guru showing the light of path to god Misterconginialtastical (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Reply # 2 for above: 1: the word "Shabad" means word. The context is Divine Will or God's Command. The Shabad is God's word, and Guru Granth Sahib Ji contains the Word, and that is what Guru Nanak Ji passed to his Sikhs (students). 2: God speaks the Word. The cynical, Guru Granth Saheb then becomes like any other religious text. There is one major difference, however. Guru Granth Saheb's writer is Guru himself, not his followers. In other words, Guru Nanak wrote the Word himself, not his apostles or scribes from their memories. 3: Since God is the origin of the Word, God is THE Guru. Guru Nanak's body, and now Guru Granth Saheb is a vehicle through which Word is given to the Sikh. 4: Logistically, since Guru Nanak Ji was the first to write GuruWord, we consider him our first Guru. And... 5: There is no number associated with Word Guru or Shabad Guru, Guru Granth Saheb Ji. GuruWord is the eternal Guru. It was, is and forever be our Guru. Final: these points are taken directly from Guru Granth Saheb Ji. Thank you. And God Bless!

replys? Information-Linetalk 12:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Nanak in Iran[edit]

I spoke to a devout Sikh today, and he was telling me about Nanak and how he had visited Iran during his life time. I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on this topic, I am quite interested in it because I believe Sikh have Persian roots, or that their religious scripts were written in Persian, or the scripts of Nanak were Persian. I'll try and find a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

While touring eastern Iran in 1979, I had sighted a Sikh Gurdwara in the small city of Duzdabad. I had entered the Gurdwara situated on a hilltop and had photographed it. I had met the Bhai or Granthi of that Gurdwara who spoke in chaste Persian but could read the holy Granth Saahib printed in Gurmukhi script.Lutfullah (talk) 19:03, 16 October 2011 (UTC)Lutfullah

Varanasi/ Mecca Episode[edit]

The article says "At Varanasi, Guru Nanak was found sleeping with his feet towards the Temple, Kazi Rukan-ud-din, who observed this, angrily objected. Guru Nanak replied with a request to turn his hands in a direction in which God or the House of God is not. The Pundit understood the meaning of what the Guru was saying 'God is everywhere'. This appears to be incorrect because it mentions a muslim Kazi worried about a Hindu temple, and in the next statement he is called as a Pundit, not a Kazi. This incident had actually happened in Mecca. Mayankeagle (talk) 10:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Opening Paragraph[edit]

The first paragraph has disputatious material in the second sentence. Disputation is not the purpose of delivering information in the public domain. The disputation about the date of Guru Nanak's birth needs to be removed to somewhere else and a more timely introduction to Guru Nanak is needed. Whiteguru (talk) 16:48, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


This section is, in addition to being uncited and inclusive of a lengthy passage that does not relate to Guru Nanak's death, redundant, as his death is already described in the ==Last years== section of ==Biography==. I'll remove it and ask that anyone wishing to reinstate the story of flower garlands should integrate it into ==Biography== with proper citations.Spogelseforfatter (talk) 00:35, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

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Why is article always showing Pakistan and in infobox there is pakistani flag, Pakistan never exist in this time so I have removed unnecessary flags and words. --Rajendra Singh (talk) 10:53, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

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Guru Nanak DevGuru NanakWP:COMMONNAME. BBCBritannica, [6] "Guru Nanak" 11,500,000 his v/s [7] 3,290,000 hits. Redtigerxyz Talk 10:01, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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Please do Respect of Guru's. Move the Page from Guru Nanak to Guru Nanak Dev[edit]

Hi, This is the article of Sikh Gurus please I request you to Move the Existing page from Guru Nanak to Guru Nanak Dev. VPS 13:11, 23 October 2012 (UTC)). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloggersingh (talkcontribs)

As per wikipedia policy, we do not use WP:HONORIFICS. We do not name articles like Lord Ganesha, Prophet Muhammad, Shri Manmohan Singh. We use WP:COMMONNAME. --Redtigerxyz Talk 07:27, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Article name change?[edit]

Perhaps this article should be titled Guru Nanak Dev rather than Guru Nanak?

This would promote consistency with the other articles about the gurus as they all include surnames/family names.

I also feel it would be a bit more professional as all other articles about people include full names, for example it would be bizarre to have an article on Barack Obama entitled only Barack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:37, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the name should be changed. Dev is not honorific. --Vigyani (talk) 05:53, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree it should be changed to Guru Nanak Dev Jujhar.pannu (talk) 07:22, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I support the recent addition of Dev in the infobox by Jujhar.pannu and I have added the honorific to the first mention of the Guru in the article's lead section. However, changing the title of the article is likely to cause confusion. The original query by is mistaken. Dev is not a family name. Other religious leaders are given short titles - Abraham, Jesus, Muhammad, and wp:at indicates that the name in common use should be preferred. Also, note the 2012 decision recorded above. Apuldram (talk) 10:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Dev is not family name, but a common middle name. And in school text books he is always refereed as Guru Nanak Dev. Guru Nanak Dev University also uses 'Dev' --Vigyani (talk) 11:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
if Dev was his middle name, it should not be in the article title - see WP:UCN.
but was it his middle name? do you have a verifiable source? I believe it to be an assigned title of respect, meaning saint. Apuldram (talk) 13:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
maybe. Vigyani (talk) 13:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Honorific or not, WP:COMMONNAME is "Guru Nanak", without suffix Dev. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Oppose The word Dev should not be included in the name. Thanks Theman244 (talk) 23:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Dev was not part of his name. I am not 100% sure why sometimes it's added as suffix to his name, but i think it's added probably to show respect. Even the S.G.P.C (organization responsible for the upkeep of gurdwaras) do not use Dev. Here is link [8] Thanks Theman244 (talk) 23:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Slightly-For Earliest Sikh primary historical texts, ie Bhai Mani Singh refer to Guru Je only as Gurdev not Guru Nanak or anything else so I think the Dev should be kept as Sikh tradition holds so it would be easier to make the distinction that Gurdev meant Guru Nanak Dev also note that almost all of the websites around the world write his name as Guru Nanak Dev. Dev is not a surname but it does hold significance similar to Guru Har Gobind and Guru Ram Das. Jujhar.pannu (talk) 17:59, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Re: Strongly Oppose Bulk of these websites don't even qualify as reliable source of information. Dev is a Honorific and it can't be used as a part of the name. All the reliable and scholarly sources do not use it as a part of name. Similarly, by doing google search (see last requested move) you will find way more results for Guru Nanak rather than Guru Nanak Dev. In his own writings Guru Nanak didn't used word Dev as a part of his name. He simply use Nanak as his name and this was followed by nine successor gurus in their writings(Except for 6th, 7th, 8th guru; as they didn't write) and Guru Gobind Singh's writings is not part of Guru Granth Sahib. Thanks Theman244 (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

This is not a requested move or a move review. The matter was decided in October 2012. This section started as a simple question which has been answered. Please save support and oppose comments for any (hopefully nonexistent) future formal move request. Apuldram (talk) 10:18, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


Are any of these extensive travels documented in non-Sikh sources? I mean, do we have some contemporary document telling a Punjabi preacher came to our city and talked about God or met with some priest or visited some place? --Error (talk) 20:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Guru Nanak as a poet[edit]

I think we should consider Guru Nanak as poet too as he is one the best poets in the history of punjabi language. Just for a reference see this --Satdeep gill (talkcontribs 18:07, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


It states in the introductory paragraph that "Guru Granth Sahib" is a "living" Guru; however, this is clearly a violation of WP:NPOV. The "Guru Granth Sahib" may be "living" in a symbolic, religious sense; however, it is does not meet the actual, scientific criteria for what constitutes a living thing. Similarly, "Guru Nanak's Divine Journeys" are also a violation. Whether or not they were divine is highly subjective. JDiala (talk) 01:56, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree that describing Guru Granth Sahib as the living guru is a violation of the neutral pov. However, the article is about Nanak, not about the Granth Sahib. The clause does not belong in the lead section, so I have removed it.
Whether or not the journeys were divine (adjective, small d) is subjective, but the Divine Journeys (capital D) is the common name for them. Apuldram (talk) 11:28, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Kartik puranmashi (purnima)[edit]

According to the Encyclopaedia of Sikhism, “Guru Nanak’s birthday is celebrated world-wide on the full-moon day in the month of Kārtik, October-November.” Kartik begins on 23 October, so the usual definition of ‘full moon’ gives the possibility that the birthday celebration could be in October.

An anonymous editor has written “Before the current Gregorian Calendar was established in 18th C, Kartik Purnamashi would sometimes occur in late October but that is no longer the case.” Why is it no longer the case? Pending an explanation, I have restored the original text. Apuldram (talk) 21:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Reason for celebration on Kartik puranmashi[edit]

I have moved the following contribution by Malikhpur here from the article lede, as it is more suited to the discussion page than the article's lede.
"There is no consensus for the reason for celebrating the birth of Guru Nanak Dev Ji on Kartik full moon. However, the most plausible explanation relates to when Guru Nanak Dev Ji bathed in the rivulet Kali Bein in Sultanpur Lodhi and disappeared for three days. It is believed that Guru Nanak Dev Ji reappeared on Kartik full moon and proclaimed there is no Hindu nor Muslim. People then believed him to be a Guru and this day is celebrated as the birth of Nanak, as Guru Nanak Dev Ji. See: Pritpal Singh Bindra"

The article by P S Bindra is rather discursive and deals mainly with the 15 April birth date. It does put forward seven possibilities why the birth is celebrated in Kartik. Only the seventh relates to the bathing incident.
The idea could be re-instated concisely if a more definite verifiable source can be found. Apuldram (talk) 16:17, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Please see the following link [9] which mentions the enlightenment on Karthik Purnima. Malikhpur
Again that is only a conjecture, which the author of the book considers to be plausible. As Malikhpur has pointed out, there is no consensus. Does anyone know if and when an authoritative Sikh organisation decided the celebration should be on Kartik puranmashi and, if so, whether a reason was given? Apuldram (talk) 09:32, 7 November 2014 (UTC)